Robertson/Orchard of Stirling

orchard · Post by **orchard** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:51 pm

I am a direct descendent of William Orchard of Leicester. He was born abt 1812 and married Catherine Robertson (born abt 1831) of Stirling, Scotland on 3rd July 1848 in Stirling. Catherine's father was Bengemen Robertson. They emigrated to Australia on the "Flora McDonald" in 1852. They had 9 children in Australia. William died 30th Nov 1881 in the Adelaide Lunatic Asylum, Adelaide, South Australia. Catherine died 25 Aug 1875 at Redcamp (Glenburnie), South Australia. I am a descendent of their second child, Robert William. I would appreciate any information you can give me about Catherine or William's family.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:58 pm

hi Orchaard
Not sure where you have looked already. Have you tried a look for them in the 1841 or 1851 census?

Best wishes
Lesley

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:43 pm

Hi there

There is an interesting census entry for 1851 that I'm wondering is your family. Ancestry has it indexed as

Name: William Orchard
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Civil parish: Stirling
County: Stirlingshire
Address: App Bridge Sl
Occupation: Plate Layer

Family members:
Culling Orchard 22 wife
William Orchard 26 head
Margaret Wight 5 Mo nursing child

The age for William seems to be way out from what you've stated in your original post...but the birthplace of England is right on. His wife "Culling" seems to be nursing the infant Margaret Wight which leads one to think she may have recently lost a baby.

Also in Stirling there is a likely looking Robertson clan consisting of:

Name: Benjamin Robertson
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: St Logie, Perthshire
Civil parish: Stirling
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Ferver Bridge Street
Occupation: Woollen Gorder

Family members:
Bath Robertson 11 dau
Benjamin Robertson 51 head
Benjamin Robertson 20 son
Elizabeth Robertson 13 dau
Helen Robertson 7 dau
John Robertson 9 son
Margaret Robertson 16 dau

All the children are born Stirling.

Best wishes
Jean

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:26 pm

Originally posted in separate thread concerning the same family, by SarahND :
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 726f767a8a

Hi Orchard,
I checked for her in 1851 to verify the birthplace. Is this the family in 1851? Ancestry has Catherine's name as "Culling". I have no idea what the original looks like:

App Bridge Sl, Stirling, Stirlingshire
William Orchard, 26, head, born England, Plate Layer
Culling Orchard, 26, wife, born Stirling, Dressmaker
Margaret Wight, 5 Mo, Child Nursing, born ??, Clackmanan

It looks like she took in a child to nurse. Did she lose a baby early on?

Have you searched for her birth on Scotland's People (link at top of page). I see there are 4 Cath* Robertsons born in Stirlingshire between 1820 and 1832, fewer than I expected to find with such a common name. If that is her 1851 record, she may have been born in 1824 or 1825. The problem is, as I'm sure you've found, none of them is the daughter of a Ben* The only Cath*, daughter of Ben* that I found was born in Angus-- could this be her?

Did you get her father's name from her death record?

Sorry, more questions than answers so far! But I just want to get straight how much you already have confirmed.
All the best,
Sarah

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:29 pm

Thanks, Lesley, for locking the other thread. I have been busy duplicating all of Jean's work

And searching in vain for people who I now see were long gone to Australia... I guess that's what I get for being away from the board so long that I don't recognize when a family has already been discussed.
Regards,
Sarah

orchard · Post by **orchard** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:02 am

Hi Sarah.
Thanks for the info. My WIlliam Orchard was born abt 1812 in Leicester, England. He was a Plate layer.
I have their marriage certificate and it indicates Catherine's father as Bengemen. I used the ages on this to arrive at abt 1812 for William's birth and abt 1831 for Catherine's.

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:34 am

Hi Orchard,
So he was a plate layer... That 1851 census works except for their ages. It wouldn't be the first time ages were off on a census record, so I wouldn't discount it.

Just in case it turns out to be of interest, here is the Benjamin Robertson family of Angus in the 1841 census. This was the only Catherine, daughter of Benjamin I could find:

1841
Plans of Cossans, Glamis, Angus
Benjamin Robertson, 47, born Angus, Farmer
Agnes Robertson, 50, born Angus
Elisabeth Robertson, 25, born Angus, Weaver
Helen Robertson, 22, born Angus, Weaver
Jean Robertson, 20, born Angus, Weaver
Catherine Robertson, 17, born Angus
William Robertson, 11, born Angus
Alexr Allardice, 1, born Angus

(according to the IGI, Alexr is the son of Elisabeth)

Did any of Catherine's certificates give the occupation of her father?
All the best,
Sarah

orchard · Post by **orchard** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:48 am

Bengemen (sp?) is identified in the Marriage records as a wool spinner

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:52 am

orchard wrote:Bengemen (sp?) is identified in the Marriage records as a wool spinner

Ah! Then he does indeed sound like the one Jean found in 1851. Below is the Stirling Benjamin Robertson family in 1841, when one would expect Catherine to be at home, and she doesn't appear. Still, with the clue that he was a wool spinner, and there being very few Benjamins about, it looks like a likely family.

1841
Lower Bridge Street, St Ninians, Stirlingshire
Benjamin Robertson, 40, born Stirlingshire, Wool Spinner
Jannet Robertson, 30, born Stirlingshire
Jannett Robertson, 15, born Stirlingshire
Benjamin Robertson, 11, born Stirlingshire
Robert Robertson, 9, born Stirlingshire,
Margret Robertson, 7, born Stirlingshire
Elen Robertson, 3, born Stirlingshire
Hellen Robertson, 1, born Stirlingshire
James Grant, 25, born Scotland, Woolen Dyer

Back to William... have you found him in the 1841 census? The only likely looking one I can see, taking into account the age and birthplace you have given, was a farmer living in Ashby de la Zouch, Leistershire with a wife, Francis and a daughter, Julia, age 4. Hmmmm

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All the best,
Sarah

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:47 am

Hi folks

A possible for the missing Catherine in 1841 could be this one from ancestry...

Name: Catherane Robertson
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Gender: Female
Where born: Stirlingshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Falkirk
County: Stirlingshire
Address: High Street
Occupation: F S
Parish Number: 479
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Catherane Robertson 18
Christina Salmon 40
Christina Thomson Salmon 11
Henry Salmon 40
Henry Salmon 8
Isabella Peterson Salmon 14
Janet Rhind Salmon 4
Margaret Taylor 25

She is a servant in the household and Mr. Salmon is a banker. I know she is a wee bit old but it might be stretched upward a bit in order to obtain employment...just guessing....

Best wishes
Jean

PS...Nice to see that you haven't lost your touch in the wilds of Idaho Sarah....welcome home