Hi to everyone at TS,
I wonder if anyone who has access to the Glasgow Newspapers c.1924 could have a look for the following accident which happened to my poor Great Uncle Martin.
He died the year my father was born and there was always a mystery about how he died - i was told he was a Roofer and fell to his death. I have now printed a copy of his death cert . It came under Hillhead although he lived in Hallside St Glasgow.
Martin Flannigan 7th July 1924 Slater journeyman 30 years old Father Thomas Flannigan Mother Bridget Devine deceased
Cause of death spike wound of root of neck - witness J. Flannigan brother.
The RCE states at 6pm on 7th July 1924 in the Western Infirmary Glasgow accidental fall on to the top of a spiked railing per verdict of July.
Sounds a bit gruesome and i would be interested if it was reported in the newspapers of the day.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Regards
Ailsa
Fatal accident in Newspaper?
Moderator: Global Moderators
-
crayspond
- Posts: 656
- Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:23 am
- Location: Reading UK
-
Montrose Budie
- Posts: 713
- Joined: Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:37 pm
Re: Fatal accident in Newspaper?
Hi Ailsa
The Fatal Accident Inquiry (FAI) series of records at the National Archives of Scotland will hold info of interest; in this case, -
SC36 Glasgow Sheriff Court 1748-1988
SC36/30 Records of Fatal Accident Inquiries 1900-1983
Reference SC36/30/1924/78
Title Fatal Accident Inquiry: Martin Flannigan, slater, 34 Hallside Street, Glasgow, died on 7 July 1924
Dates 1924
Access status Open
An email to NAS should result in copies of the papers, for the cost of the photcopies.
As you suggest, it's also very probable that the Glasgow newspapers will have reports of his unfortunate death.
mb
The Fatal Accident Inquiry (FAI) series of records at the National Archives of Scotland will hold info of interest; in this case, -
SC36 Glasgow Sheriff Court 1748-1988
SC36/30 Records of Fatal Accident Inquiries 1900-1983
Reference SC36/30/1924/78
Title Fatal Accident Inquiry: Martin Flannigan, slater, 34 Hallside Street, Glasgow, died on 7 July 1924
Dates 1924
Access status Open
An email to NAS should result in copies of the papers, for the cost of the photcopies.
As you suggest, it's also very probable that the Glasgow newspapers will have reports of his unfortunate death.
mb
-
crayspond
- Posts: 656
- Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:23 am
- Location: Reading UK
Re: Fatal accident in Newspaper?
Hi Montrose Budie,
Thanks for the info - I will send an email off to them and see what happens. I am not sure if there is still free access to the newspaper archives as it seems to go off and on! does anyone know?
Ailsa
Thanks for the info - I will send an email off to them and see what happens. I am not sure if there is still free access to the newspaper archives as it seems to go off and on! does anyone know?
Ailsa
-
LesleyB
- Posts: 8184
- Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:18 am
- Location: Scotland
Re: Fatal accident in Newspaper?
Hi Ailsa
If memory serves me right (and it does no always!) I don't think there was ever access, free or otherwise, to Glasgow newspapers for the period after 1900. You would, I think need to go the the Mitchell Library and trawl through the papers one by one, either in bound books or microfilm.
Best wishes
Lesley
If memory serves me right (and it does no always!) I don't think there was ever access, free or otherwise, to Glasgow newspapers for the period after 1900. You would, I think need to go the the Mitchell Library and trawl through the papers one by one, either in bound books or microfilm.
Best wishes
Lesley
-
trish1
- Posts: 1320
- Joined: Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:38 am
- Location: australia
Re: Fatal accident in Newspaper?
Hello Ailsacrayspond wrote:Hi Montrose Budie,
Thanks for the info - I will send an email off to them and see what happens. I am not sure if there is still free access to the newspaper archives as it seems to go off and on! does anyone know?
Ailsa
It has been my experience when dealing with NAS by mail that there is a minimum charge of 10 pounds - which covers the cost of the first x number of pages (I don't know the number for x - as my purchases have always cost the minimum). I have always found them to be very prompt in returning a quote for the information using email.
Trish
-
Currie
- Posts: 3924
- Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:20 am
- Location: Australia
Re: Fatal accident in Newspaper?
Hello Ailsa,
If you’re unable to access the microfilm or paper copies, and if no kind person can help, it may be worthwhile keeping an eye on the progress of what Google News Archive is doing with the Glasgow Herald. They have digitised it from 1937 for quite a few years. Maybe, hopefully, they’ll do some earlier years as well. I’ve no idea when or if this will happen as they don’t advertise their future plans or past progress. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=G ... 7&b_mode=2
Searching for Martin Flannigan as a phrase in The Scotsman free search only brings up something in December, 1922. I don’t know how common the name was but maybe there’s a connection, that’s if it wasn’t a false hit. http://archive.scotsman.com/search.cfm? ... tyType=all
That form of death is a popular one in the movies but I think your Great Uncle’s is the first real-life one I’ve heard about.
Not much help,
Alan
If you’re unable to access the microfilm or paper copies, and if no kind person can help, it may be worthwhile keeping an eye on the progress of what Google News Archive is doing with the Glasgow Herald. They have digitised it from 1937 for quite a few years. Maybe, hopefully, they’ll do some earlier years as well. I’ve no idea when or if this will happen as they don’t advertise their future plans or past progress. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=G ... 7&b_mode=2
Searching for Martin Flannigan as a phrase in The Scotsman free search only brings up something in December, 1922. I don’t know how common the name was but maybe there’s a connection, that’s if it wasn’t a false hit. http://archive.scotsman.com/search.cfm? ... tyType=all
That form of death is a popular one in the movies but I think your Great Uncle’s is the first real-life one I’ve heard about.
Not much help,
Alan
-
crayspond
- Posts: 656
- Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:23 am
- Location: Reading UK
Re: Fatal accident in Newspaper?
Thanks Lesley, Trish and Alan for replying. I had an automated reply from NAS so i will wait to see what they say.
It does seem unfortunate that he fell onto a spiked railing - he might have survived if he had landed elsewhere.
I imagine the inquiry is not going to be pleasant reading - but it would be interesting to hear what actually happened on that fateful day.
Thanks again,
Ailsa
It does seem unfortunate that he fell onto a spiked railing - he might have survived if he had landed elsewhere.
I imagine the inquiry is not going to be pleasant reading - but it would be interesting to hear what actually happened on that fateful day.
Thanks again,
Ailsa
-
crayspond
- Posts: 656
- Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:23 am
- Location: Reading UK
Re: Fatal accident in Newspaper?
Hello to all,
An update on the enquiry email i sent to the NAS re Martin Flannigan. I received the following email today.
14th May 2010
NAS6/B3/2.3/2/41515{May}
Dear Ms. Reynolds,
Thank you for your enquiry dated 28th April requesting a copy of the 1924 Fatal Accident Inquiry into the death on 7th July 1924 of Martin Flannigan, a slater from 34 Hallside Street, Glasgow [SC36/30/1924/78].
This paper consists of the Proceedings in Inquiry which is a collection of examinations of witnesses giving proof to the fatal accident. Acquiring paper copies of these 16 pages will cost £15 (including postage and packaging).
If you decide to proceed with an order, please send a crossed cheque, drawn on a British account, or international money order, in sterling, made out in favour of the ‘National Archives of Scotland’, to: Accounts Department, National Archives of Scotland, General Register House, Princes Street, Edinburgh, EH1 3YY.
We can also accept payment by the following credit cards and debit cards: Visa, Mastercard, Maestro and Solo; which can currently only be made in person or by telephone. However, we hope to introduce secure payment facilities in the future. In order to make a payment by credit/debit card you must provide us with: 1) the card number; 2) the card expiry date; 3) the issue number if Maestro; 4) the last 3 digits of the card security number (on the reverse of the credit card); 5) the cardholder's name and initials as displayed on the card; and 6) the cardholder's address. Please note that all of these details are essential. You can telephone us with your payment details on 0131 535 1383.
Payment will be processed when cheques, postal orders or credit card details are received in our Accounts Branch to pay for items requested by post. If NAS are unable to provide the goods requested, a refund will be made by our Accounts Branch.
We shall proceed with your order on receipt of payment. You should therefore expect to receive your copies within 21 working days of payment. This estimate is valid for two months only, from the date of this letter. Please quote estimate number 323 on any correspondence regarding this order. We regret that we do not accept payment in currencies other than sterling. Please provide a postal address to send your order to on completion.
Yours sincerely,
Gemma Hamilton
Search Room Officer
West Search Room
I will maybe leave it for a while until i purchase the copies- i thought it would be of interest to anyone thinking of contacting NAS.
Ailsa
An update on the enquiry email i sent to the NAS re Martin Flannigan. I received the following email today.
14th May 2010
NAS6/B3/2.3/2/41515{May}
Dear Ms. Reynolds,
Thank you for your enquiry dated 28th April requesting a copy of the 1924 Fatal Accident Inquiry into the death on 7th July 1924 of Martin Flannigan, a slater from 34 Hallside Street, Glasgow [SC36/30/1924/78].
This paper consists of the Proceedings in Inquiry which is a collection of examinations of witnesses giving proof to the fatal accident. Acquiring paper copies of these 16 pages will cost £15 (including postage and packaging).
If you decide to proceed with an order, please send a crossed cheque, drawn on a British account, or international money order, in sterling, made out in favour of the ‘National Archives of Scotland’, to: Accounts Department, National Archives of Scotland, General Register House, Princes Street, Edinburgh, EH1 3YY.
We can also accept payment by the following credit cards and debit cards: Visa, Mastercard, Maestro and Solo; which can currently only be made in person or by telephone. However, we hope to introduce secure payment facilities in the future. In order to make a payment by credit/debit card you must provide us with: 1) the card number; 2) the card expiry date; 3) the issue number if Maestro; 4) the last 3 digits of the card security number (on the reverse of the credit card); 5) the cardholder's name and initials as displayed on the card; and 6) the cardholder's address. Please note that all of these details are essential. You can telephone us with your payment details on 0131 535 1383.
Payment will be processed when cheques, postal orders or credit card details are received in our Accounts Branch to pay for items requested by post. If NAS are unable to provide the goods requested, a refund will be made by our Accounts Branch.
We shall proceed with your order on receipt of payment. You should therefore expect to receive your copies within 21 working days of payment. This estimate is valid for two months only, from the date of this letter. Please quote estimate number 323 on any correspondence regarding this order. We regret that we do not accept payment in currencies other than sterling. Please provide a postal address to send your order to on completion.
Yours sincerely,
Gemma Hamilton
Search Room Officer
West Search Room
I will maybe leave it for a while until i purchase the copies- i thought it would be of interest to anyone thinking of contacting NAS.
Ailsa