SP & IGI

sheilajim · Post by **sheilajim** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:33 am

Hi All

I was under the impression that SP (with the exception of the Roman Catholic Records) had all the available OPR Records for Scotland.

Yesterday I found out that I have been wrong.

s There are records on the IGI that are not on SP.

I do not mean submissions, but extracted records from churches. How can this be? How can the IGI have Scottish records that SP doesn't have?

Regards

Sheila

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:27 am

Hi Sheila

Are the records from the IGI extracted from denominations other than Church of Scotland? I believe the only OPR records SP has online are Church of Scotland. It would be great if you could post an example from the IGI to illustrate this scenario!

Best wishes
Jean

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:23 am

Sheila

I'm sure that you will find that any such extracted records on IGI are secession church records.

See http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7931 .

David

sheilajim · Post by **sheilajim** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:56 pm

Hi Jean & David

Here they are. I was looking for births 1770-1810 between a John Dun and a Catherine Edmond. Earlier, Susan and Anne Anderson found them and told me about them. I couldn't find them on SP, so I looked on the IGI and there they were. They are all extracts, not submissions.

Cristian Dun- Parents John Dun & Catrine Edmond
Christening: 01 Aug 1774 Associate Session, Balfron, Stirling, Scotland

Jenot Dun -Parents -John Dun - Keatrin Edmond
Christening: 11 Jun 1797 Associate Session, Balfron, Stirling, Scotland.

David Dun Parents- John Dun * Katharine Edmond
Christening: 23 Mar 1780 Associate Session, Balfron, Stirling, Scotland

William Dun- Parents John Dun and Katren Edmond
Christening: 16 Mar 1800 Associate Session, Balfron, Stirling, Scotland

Andrew Dun-Parents- John Dun and Katharine Edmond
Christening: Oct 1787 Associate Session, Balfron, Stirling, Scotland

One more that was on both the IGI and SP
Patrick Dun- Parents John Dun and Cathrin Edmond
15 Dec 1789, Fintry, Stirling, Scotland

I am trying to figure out if this is the same couple for these children. First birth is 1774 and last birth is 1800. That is 26 years!

Not impossible, but doesn't seem right. I feel sorry for the poor woman if it is her.

I don't know what Associate Session means. Is this the Free Church?

Regards

Sheila

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:07 pm

Hi Sheila
Secessionists are not the Free Church but an earlier split from the established church. See the link David posted above :
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7931
which should help to explain.

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **SarahND** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:20 pm

sheilajim wrote:I am trying to figure out if this is the same couple for these children. First birth is 1774 and last birth is 1800. That is 26 years! Not impossible, but doesn't seem right. I feel sorry for the poor woman if it is her.

Hi Sheila,
Since these are christenings and not births, there is a chance that the children were christened when older. Could this have been part of the Secessionist doctrine? I know that holding off the baptism until later was part of a number of splits, so it's not impossible.
Regards,
Sarah

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:53 pm

Hi Sarah & everyone

there is a chance that the children were christened when older. Could this have been part of the Secessionist doctrine?

I have some Secessionists in Limekilns, Fife and there is only the usual kind of gap between birth & christening with that family, e.g. b. 20 June & ch. 4 July, b 22 March & ch. 30 March etc, though that may not be the same for all secessionsists...

Best wishes
Lesley

sheilajim · Post by **sheilajim** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:21 pm

Hi All,

Sarah, I don't think that they were christened at the same time, because the spelling for the mother is different every time. Unless the clerk had been having a few too many,

you would think that there would be the same spelling of the mother's name.

I then thought of my own mother.

I was what was called a late baby, but not the latest for my family. My mother had her first baby at age 24. She was nearly 40 when I was born, and was 45 when my brother was born. She then had a miscarriage when she was 49. That is a span of 25 years.

Leslie, I took a look at what David wrote. There seems to have been a lot of religious upheaval in Scotland in those days,

what with all their seceding, separating and getting back together again. Really confusing. I wonder what was going on then.

Cheers

Sheila

heymarky · Post by **heymarky** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:26 pm

sheilajim wrote:I couldn't find them on SP, so I looked on the IGI and there they were. They are all extracts, not submissions.

For records this old there may not be much useful information, but you can order copies of the originals if you are so inclined:

Go to the forms page and look for Requests for Photocopies - IGI and Sources.

You'll have to print the form, fill it in and mail it off. Not quite the instant gratification of instantly downloading the image, but it does add a bit of excitement to checking the mailbox for awhile.

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:37 pm

sheilajim wrote:......snipped.............Leslie, I took a look at what David wrote. There seems to have been a lot of religious upheaval in Scotland in those days, what with all their seceding, separating and getting back together again. Really confusing. I wonder what was going on then.

Cheers

Sheila

Just guid presbyterian Scots disagreeing on doctrine, not the least of which was the extent, if any, to which the State had the right to intervene in matters that the church saw as completely their own.

David