Help Reading an OPR

Post by **Anne H** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:15 pm

Great find =D> Love the map, Lesley

Regards,
Anne H

MJayne · Post by **MJayne** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:42 pm

This is quite freaky. I have just had a look at the map and, if I am reading it right, I lived practically on top of those pits for years! I knew that there are old mines under a good portion of East Glasgow and Lanarkshire, but it is strange to see them on old maps and realise that you were right on top of them. Sadly, my mum passed away last year and when we were selling her flat, the lawyer had to do all kinds of searches to ensure the new owners weren't going to be walking out to their car and disappear down an old coal shaft!

Jayne

theKiwi · Post by **theKiwi** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:35 am

Many thanks for the help here with that.

I've found it on that map - I'd got partway there this morning on the old-maps site, but that site is unbelievably frustrating to use for the last year or two, and I gave up scrolling it back and forth before I'd got up north enough from where I started at.

Now I see on their 1864 map it's shown as Auchinloning.

I've looked at a few of the other records - none of them so far have Auchiinloning or similar on them. I've got Marston and "East Maryshon" it looked like.

I also found another child not in the Vital Record CDs - after spending far too much of my day trying to get my Vital Record CDs going again under Windows XP running from a network drive (so I'm not constantly shuffling the CDs in and out) under Parallels on my Macintosh - it used to work fine in Windows 98 on Virtual PC, but the new Mac Pro I got a few weeks ago left that technology behind - and then printing out the result.

Interesting about the mines now being under part of what I'm assuming is the city when you say "East Glasgow".

Is this somewhere in the vicinity of the airport then? I was there in 2005 having flown in from Toronto and then back out to Toronto 10 short days later.

Again many thanks for the help. Plenty to digest and process for my database and web site now.

Cheers

Roger

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:36 am

theKiwi wrote:Interesting about the mines now being under part of what I'm assuming is the city when you say "East Glasgow".

Is this somewhere in the vicinity of the airport then? I was there in 2005 having flown in from Toronto and then back out to Toronto 10 short days later.

Hi Roger,

The airport is a few miles to the west of the city, probably about 10 miles or so west of the places youe are looking around east Glasgow and further eastwards.

All the best,

AndrewP

theKiwi · Post by **theKiwi** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:06 am

AndrewP wrote:he airport is a few miles to the west of the city, probably about 10 miles or so west of the places youe are looking around east Glasgow and further eastwards.

Hi Andrew

Well that shows what flying into a city and then driving straight out in a rental car will get you - a complete lack of understanding of just exactly where you are <g>.

But I would have sworn that when we drove into Glasgow from Stirling the evening before we left we hadn't got to the city yet. Oh well - as I said it was 11 short busy well travelled days...

http://lisaandroger.com/Scotland2005/

As near as I can tell, Auchenlonning is about under the M73 now....

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?title=App ... %20ML5%203

On the olde map Heatheryknowe is just west of Auchenlonning, and that still exists with the same road shape today, but Auchenlonning is probably gone - unless it was the place that is now just east of M73

Cheers

Roger

theKiwi · Post by **theKiwi** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:17 pm

Well after about $35 at Scotlands People I'm back on a followup to this, I now have the Death Record for the Alexander Mitchell who was the resident at Auchenlonning at one time.

He died of falling down a pit shaft when the chain broke. I've put this composite image here

http://lisaandroger.com/AlexanderDeathPlace.gif

and I'm wondering if someone can help clarify just what it's saying for where he died.

In conjunction with the names I see on the segment of map in that image (Auchenlonning is just off to the top left) in the left part of the Death Record (this is the where died column) I make out

Dundyvan Cxxxx
Hxxxxx Langloan
Old Monkland

Of the first line, "Dundyvan" is a place on the map- a hill or a hole - a mine presumably - but I have no idea what the second word Cxxxx might be

On the second line

just below Dundyvan on the map is "Hozier Esq" - could that word on the second line be Hozier, or is it something else - "Hozier Esq" presumably is the owner of whatever it is that's there?

Langloan on the map seems to be another hill or hole - another mine presumably?

Thanks for any assists with interpretation here.

Roger

Anne Baillie · Post by **Anne Baillie** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:59 pm

Hi Rodger,
Fatal Coal Pit Accident - A fatal accident occurred on Monday last, in No 11 Pit, Drumpeller, whereby Alexander Mitchel and James Brand lost their lives. Mitchel and Brand were ascending the pit for some necessary cause, and when about 40 fathoms up the shaft the muzzle which connects the rope or chain to the cage gave way, and both were precipitated to the bottom and killed on the spot. We understand that it was a double patent cage, and the unfortunate men were in what is called the top cage, and a hutch of coals underneath them, adding nearly seven hundredweight which could have been dispensed with. We trust that this melancholy incident will operate as a warning to masters, and those in authority under them, against permitting men to ascend the shaft accompanied by coals; and it shows the necessity for paying the utmost attention to the springs upon the cages. [Glasgow Herald March 12 1855]

from www.mining-villages.co-uk

Regards
Anne

theKiwi · Post by **theKiwi** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:41 pm

Wow!!!!

I never ceased to be amazed at the helpfulness of people on this board to look things up for other people.

http://www.mining-villages.co.uk/

Thats quite an interesting site, and one which I guess had I thought hard enough "might" have got around to searching for, but it wouldn't have come to me quickly I'm sure. So thanks very much for that.

Alexander is one of my great great great great grandfathers.

http://roger.lisaandroger.com/getperson ... tree=Roger

Cheers

Roger

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:42 pm

Dundyvan Crofts?
Houses Langloan
Old Monkland

p.s. see Summerlee on the map? You can vist there - it is a Museum of Scottish Working life including coal mining.
http://www.monklands.co.uk/summerlee/
They had recreations of miners houses from different times 1800s to modern day- absolutely fascinating.

theKiwi · Post by **theKiwi** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:03 pm

I wondered if it might have been

Dundyvan Corp or Coy - that last character goes well down under the line whereas in Croft there is no letter with a descender. But I was absolutely clueless on the H word.

So maybe "Dundyvan Corp/Coy Houses" at Langloan, being either where he lived, or where he was taken after being retrieved from the pit shaft - the article says killed on the spot - which is hardly surprising if they fell 240 feet (73 metres) I would imagine, so I was thinking it had to be somehow the name of the mine.

For a view of the very immediate area in 1864 I turned up this page

http://www.jhowie.f9.co.uk/souterhouse.htm

Roger