William's Story.....

Parish Records and other sources

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StewL
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Post by StewL » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:18 am

Hello Jean

I was re-reading this topic and had a few thoughts about the writing until you mentioned later the different names Jean/Ann/Anna were registered under. Having done a fair bit of trinscribing for FREEBMD, I would agree with you on the curly bit on an "A" might look like a "J", have had that eye straining problem a few times when transcribing, and I have to agree that that is a possibility. Jacks suggestion sounds like a good way to try and sort this out. :D

As to the James Fraser (alies (sic)) Fletcher, I would go along with the idea that that is another name that he was known by, for what ever reason he had at the time. On a previous topic if a recall, someone mentioned that it was not illegal to use another name in Scotland, providing it was not for illegal purposes.

Is it possible that "Fletcher" is another family name that James adopted for purposes now only known to James?

This post is probably not much help but it was just some thoughts I was having when reading the posts. :?
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Post by WilmaM » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:26 am

Jean Jeanie wrote: However in the margin of the marriage entry her surname is spelled McDonald and James's name is shown as James Fraser alies (I presume it means alias) Fletcher Weaver. At first I thought "Fletcher" might be his occupation but on studying other entries, the occupation followed the name and therefore his occupation is weaver.

Jean :?
I wonder what James Fraser / Fletcher's Father occupation was ?
Would he have been a Fletcher, and the family known as 'So-and-so the Fletcher's' family.
There is a name for the 'nicknames' used but I can't think off hand.
Wilma

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Post by Jean Jeanie » Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:45 pm

Hi Stewie and Wilma

I have looked at the film as Jack suggested and the names are all as transcribed( See previous post)

Basically what I am trying to prove is that Ann(e)/Anna/Jane/Jean are one and the same person and was married to James Fraser and that the 8 children mentioned in Jack's post are all theirs

The facts I have are that James Fraser alies(sic) Fletcher married Anna Mackdonald 31 May 1800. Viewed the OPR.

Daughter Lilias is living with mother Ann in the 1841 census. Lilias's d.c. shows parents as James Fraser and Ann Fraser. The informant on mother Ann's d.c. is Lilias's husband, shown as Mother Ann's son in law. Proving that Lilias is Ann's daughter(1841 census shows no relationships)

William,who is living with the Elder Ann in 1841, is the correct age for William whose parents are shown as James Fraser and Jean McDonald on the OPR birth entry. William's d.c. shows parents as James Fraser and Ann McDonald.

Daughter Ann, who was living with Mother Ann in in the 1851 census has a birth entry showing mother to be "Jane McDonald"and father to be "James Fraser alies(sic) Fletcher"

Daughter Jean is living with mother Ann in the 1851 censes(shown as Jane Fraser) Jean's parents are shown as James Fraser and Ann McDonald.

The James Fraser alies(sic) Fletcher,scenario, I think, proves that the man who married Anna Mackdonald and fathered Ann McDonald, whose mother is shown as Jane is one and the same.

Therefore, Anna Mackdonald and Jane McDonald are one and the same(but I have not heard of the names Anna and Jane being interchangeable)

However if they are the same, then William's mother, shown as Jean, could well be the same woman, as Jean and Jane are definitely interchangeable.

Wilma, I don't know James's father's occupation, as I haven't found his father yet. I'm having enough trouble proving who William's mother is!!

Jean

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Post by Jack » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:28 pm

Hi Jean,

Of course i remember the "saga" - even for me it was hard to forget! :lol:

Maybe Ann was going through a phase of being called Jean? (as Stew mentioned). Or even just a forgetful minister.

Was it only Anne's birth in 1812 that mentioned father James as "alias Fletcher, weaver"?
It would seem pretty certain (because of the marriage details), that her mother was actually Ann - and not what the record says - Jean.

And a big point in favour of William's mother's name being ANN is his 1878 DC - it didn't say Jean. Plus the census details from such a small place as Faebuie.
Personally, i think you could claim James FRASER & ANN McDONALD as William's parents, but more importantly - what do the TS Experts think!
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A wee story about an "alias" i came across on an 1856 BC - the IGI (again!) doesn't give the full details.

1856 BC - William WEBSTER (alias DONALD) - Illegitimate. Mother Janet WEBSTER (alias DONALD).

What happened was that his mother Janet (ms WEBSTER) married a James DONALD in 1843, but sadly was left a young widow of 21 with 2 children in 1847 after hubby James died.
Janet subseqently met (but didn't marry) a William SMITH and the result was the above 1856 born William WEBSTER (DONALD) - though a Poor Law record calls him William SMITH.

In later life young William always used the surname of DONALD - though technically i suppose he was either a SMITH or a WEBSTER.

Anyway, maybe something similar happened with James FRASER as alias FLETCHER?

Jack
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ps - hadn't realised you'd written more; was away making ma tea!

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Post by Jean Jeanie » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:59 pm

Hi Jack - Good to hear from you
Jack wrote: Was it only Anne's birth in 1812 that mentioned father James as "alias Fletcher, weaver"?
It would seem pretty certain (because of the marriage details), that her mother was actually Ann - and not what the record says - Jean.
This was the only birth that mentioned "Fletcher". However I didn't see Jean and Lillie's births(1820 and 1822)as the film I ordered only went up to 1819. Didn't realise this when I ordered it. However I am more than happy that Lillie(Lilias) is who she is :lol:

I am about 99.9% sure that this lot are mine. Like you, I'd like to hear someone else's opinions on the facts.

Mind you, until I am 100% satisfied that this lot are mine, I am saving myself some money by not looking for anyone else on the SP site :lol:
Others found on a couple of censuses tie in beautifully with daughters Ann and Lilias.

Jean

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Post by Jean Jeanie » Mon May 30, 2005 7:19 pm

Hello Jack

Because you and Sporran both agreed that this lot were mine, I investigated further. I now have more "proof" that they are mine. Jane Fraser's birth record shows her mother as Ann. I now have her death cert(1890) and her mother is shown as Jane! Ann Fraser's birth record shows her mother as Jane. I now have her death cert also(1903) and it shows her mother as Ann!

Both of them died in the Parish Cottages at Inverallan. A very interesting find was the informant to Ann's death was her son, David Cumming!!! address Faebuie!!

Found him on the IGI listed as David Cumming or Fraser, mother Ann Fraser and father Alexander Cumming. The name Cumming rang a bell. Knew I'd seen it on one of my Faebuie Censuses. There he is in 1901, aged 51, with wife and numerous kids. Living next door to William'sson's widow and her family!!!

I feel a large drink coming on!!! :D

Many thanks for giving me the confidence to find out more and I think, prove conclusively, that this lot are really mine. \:D/

David Cumming now needs investigating!

Jean

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Post by Jack » Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:16 pm

Hi Jean,

Thanks for taking the time to let us all know - you sound a happy girl!

And so sit back and enjoy the well earned (large) drink.... well deserved for your perseverance!

Jack