Expert help please

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:03 am

Hello,
I have another quandary regarding my Beveridge search, i have traced them back to John Belfrage (on IGI) and Janet Bell married 1715 in Inverkeithing, Fife. I proceeded to print the marriage cert to see if any clue as to his/her parents - (otherwise how can i go further back?) The following options below were given on SP. Two entries for them - one must be the proclamation, the other the marriage. My question is - which is which? i have a proclamation for a 1790 marriage and it doesn't say the parents on it. Does anyone know if it was the same for 1715?
Also i am sure his parents marriage is also on the same page as below but which one?
Any help appreciated, i know how good you all are at detective work

08/02/1695 BELFRAGE JOHN JANET CUMMING/FR299 M Beath (Fife) /FIFE 410/ 0010 0375
2 10/03/1700 BELFRAGE JOHN JANET HORN/FR420 M Inverkeithing /FIFE 432/ 0010 0478
3 02/05/1700 BELFRAGE JOHN JANET HORN/FR260 259 M Orwell /KINROSS 463/ 0010 0359
4 02/05/1700 BELFRAGE JOHN JANET HORN/FR260 259 M Orwell /KINROSS 463/ 0010 0359
5 28/12/1711 BELFRAGE JOHN JANET BELFRAGE/FR330 M Beath (Fife) /FIFE 410/ 0010 0406
6 30/12/1715 BELFRAGE JOHN JANET BELL/ M Inverkeithing /FIFE 432/ 0050 0197
7 17/11/1715 BELFRAGE JOHN JANET BELL/FR841 M Inverkeithing /FIFE 432/ 0030 0194
8 24/11/1711 BERRAGE JOHN JANET BERRAGE/ M Aberdour (Fife) /FIFE 401/ 0010 0312

Thanks,
Ailsa

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:44 am

Hi Ailsa
With the entires on SP for OPR, because there was no standard form of entry for the details, the only way to find out the content is to have a look at the document. In almost all cases I would think the proclamation should come before the marraige, but you have no way of telling from the summary how much detail is given in either. We all play the OPR "lucky dip" from time to time!

You win some, you lose some....

And just sometimes you hit the jackpot!

(which is what keeps us all hooked I sometimes think - it's a bit like gambling...looking for that big win!)

If you find you have lot of events in the one area, the best thing to do might be to contact your local LDS centre and there you can order in the Microfilm for a few pounds, then when it arrives, spend many a happy hour getting to know the people in the parish! It can sometimes bring to light other family members you had not expected to see, but even if not, it gives you a much better feel for the area.

In OPR wedding entries, although I have seen a few in which the father of the bride, and sometimes even the father of the groom have been mentioned, this is not the form I've usually seen: in most cases no parent names are mentioned. This is the point at which some folk call a halt and decide they are as far back as they can reasonably go, or others then find themselves digging deeper, looking at other types of documents and spending many days in archives trying to build up more of a picture of the early ancestors: there is no set route - it depends on the people, their occupations, the area they lived in the surviving documents etc. If you are interested in digging further on the early relatives, I'd recommned Rosemary Bigwood's book "The Scottish Family Tree Detective" as a good guide to the available records and how to access and use them.

Best wishes
Lesley

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:40 pm

Hi LesleyB,
Sorry for not replying sooner - i was deliberating which marriage cert to download and decided on the later one. It is the usual "given up names to marriage thrice proclaimed and no objection they were married Dec 30 1715".
Any way it is nice to have the copy in my file. I also couldn't resist (as you do) having a look at the proclamation. Alas, it does not give any more info about them except that they gave half a creson? to the poor, and John became.... the rest i can't read. I will put it on the gallery if anyone wants to have a look at it.
There is a item which says "The session appointed the funeral charges for Alexander Selkirk to be paid" and goes on to list the cost of the coffin etc.
I wonder if it is the same Alexander Selkirk? I will do a google search.
I think that may be me at the end of my search as i can't think how i can match them to their parents -any ideas? I know someone on the board is going to the NRH in Edinburgh - but what would they look for?
Thanks again Lesley.

Ailsa

http://talkingscot.com/gallery//display ... &pos=-1496

URL added by Ina

Post by **AndrewP** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:45 pm

crayspond wrote:Alas, it does not give any more info about them except that they gave half a creson? to the poor, and John became.... the rest i can't read. I will put it on the gallery if anyone wants to have a look at it.

Hi Ailsa,

Any chance it says they gave half a crown? (12½p in decimal terms).

All the best,

AndrewP

Post by **AndrewP** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:40 pm

(later after the image was uploaded)

I will stick with half a crown as the sum of money given to the poor. I think that the letter that looks like an e is an o with the tail of the g in the line above running through it.

All the best,

AndrewP

Archiver · Post by **Archiver** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:09 pm

I'd also agree with half a crown, and the rest is John Meldrum became Caution for the paund

I thought at first it was an abbreviated 'payment', but soon realies there's no downstroke for a y and that it looks like there's a d near the end. It's 'paund', or 'pawnd'. This is a sum of money deposited with the kirk session by a couple as a guarantee of their intention to marry within 40 days and of their chaste conduct in the interval.

Post by **Anne H** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:42 pm

Yep...it's half a crown!

Archiver wrote:

'paund', or 'pawnd'

...it's a paund. This Scottish Dictionary is excellent for these things

Google Books :: Jamieson's Dictionary of the Scottish Language :: Page 294
(Sorry Andrew...I can't remember how you shorten these things

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URL shortened - AndrewP

Regards,
Anne H