Help Reading an OPR

theKiwi · Post by **theKiwi** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:13 pm

I've posted a copy of an OPR on my website here

http://lisaandroger.com/MiscImages/OPR6 ... _0022Z.gif

In the highlighted section, I'm wondering what the word after "Coalier" is - it's presumably a place name - the name of a coal mine perhaps, or a Coal company?, and seems to be spread over 2 lines

?uchen=loaning

Is that an H it's starting with?

I believe that Andrew Mitchell is (one of) my great great great grandfather(s).

Also, does anyone know what is the significance of the "Con" or "Lon" that appears in the last column in all but the last entry?

Many Thanks

Roger

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:34 pm

hi Rodger
I don't know my way round that part of the coutry, but it will be a place name as you have suggested.

Also, does anyone know what is the significance of the "Con" or "Lon" that appears in the last column in all but the last entry?

The "Con" will be the Congregation - i.e. the christening took place before the congregation as witnesses.

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **AndrewP** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:50 pm

Hi Roger,

It is probably the name of where they lived. It looks like Ruchenloaning to me. Does that or something similar mean anything more familiar with that part of the country?

All the best,

AndrewP

theKiwi · Post by **theKiwi** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:21 pm

LesleyB wrote:The "Con" will be the Congregation - i.e. the christening took place before the congregation as witnesses.

Thanks Lesley - that makes sense I guess.

I'm assuming that for this record November 29 was the date of birth, and Dec 13 was the date of Baptism.

But then that means this service took place on a Thursday, since the calendar on my computer tells me that 13 December 1821 was a Thursday.

For the a number of the other adjacent entries, the second line is Dec 16 which was Sunday, while this one seems to stand out by not being shown for the Sunday.

Hmmmmm

Thanks

Roger

apanderson · Post by **apanderson** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:57 pm

Hi Rodger,

Is this the only child you've found to this couple?

I had a wee look in the British Vital Records and it would appear Andrew was the fourth of 10 children.

Just for your records (presuming this turns out to be the correct one), his siblings were (spelt as they appear in thre BRV's)

MITCHEL, Elizabeth, born 22 Dec 1812, christened 10 Jan 1813 Recorded in: Carnwath, Lanarkshire.
MITCHAEL, Andrew, born 8 Nov 1817, christened 23 Nov 1817 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.
MITCHAEL, Robert, born 21 Nov 1819, christened 28 Nov 1819 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.
MITCHEL, Andrew, born 29 Nov 1821, christened 13 Dec 1821 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.
MITCHEL, James, born 16 Jan 1824, christened 1 Feb 1824 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.
MITCHELL, Janet, born 6 Apr 1826, christened 16 Apr 1826 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.
MITCHEL, Alexander, born 12 Jan 1828, christened 10 Feb 1828 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.
MITCHELL, Adam, born 24 Dec 1830, christened 2 Jan 1831 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.
MITCHELL, Adam, born 16 Sep 1832, christened 7 Oct 1832 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.
MITCHELL, Elizabeth, born 24 Sep 1836, christened 16 Oct 1836 Recorded in: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.

Maybe if you were able to find some of these births on SP, the 'Ruchenloaning' or whatever it is, might be a bit clearer?

Anne

theKiwi · Post by **theKiwi** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:08 pm

apanderson wrote:Is this the only child you've found to this couple?

[snip]

Maybe if you were able to find some of these births on SP, the 'Ruchenloaning' or whatever it is, might be a bit clearer?

Hi Anne

Thanks so much for that impressive list.

I hadn't got that far yet, having just got to Andrew's record yesterday, which I'd looked at for something else - so the list of things to do just keeps getting longer and longer - I guess that's a good thing.

Andrew and his wife went to New Zealand with all but 2 of their children sometime in the 1850-1860s time span - haven't go to finding that out yet either.

Look out Scotlands People - here comes some more of my devaluing US dollars.

Cheers

Roger

Muriel · Post by **Muriel** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:37 pm

I read it as "Alexr Mitchell, Coalier, Auchenloaning & Janet Simpson". Coalier would be the job - there are others in the list & the area has long been a mining one. There are a number of places in Lanarkshire beginning with 'Auchen' altho' Auchenloaning doesn't ring a bell.

Muriel

Post by **paddyscar** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:08 pm

Hi Roger:

Possibly the child became ill so he was baptised at a mid-week service?

Also, I don't think based on the other examples of R on the page, that the name is Ruchenloaning. Longlove and Lillias seem to rule out Luchenloaning.

I've checked the Scots Gazeteer for Ruchenloaning, also Auchenloaning, Luchenloaning and Cuchenloaning without success.

Frances

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:15 pm

Hi Roger & Frances

I've checked the Scots Gazeteer for Ruchenloaning, also Auchenloaning, Luchenloaning and Cuchenloaning without success.

In OPRs I've certainly often seen steadings referred to by name - it is possible it is too small to be mentioned in a Gazeteer. Also villages or very small settlements which no longer exist such as Cursnoch in Roseneath parish and Lillock in Monimail, Fife often turn up in OPRs.

Best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:33 pm

Found it!! $\:D/$
http://www.nls.uk/maps/early/646.html
Here follows a not very technical description:
Choose the top section of map, and in top left corner there is a yellow shape on the far left, then the first yellowy shape in from the left is Old Monkland.

Zoom in on Old Monkland - follow the letters of "Old Monkland" when you get to the letter K, look north! Spelt Auchenlonning on the map.

Best wishes
Lesley