fife burial

trish1 · Post by **trish1** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:12 pm

I have a burial record from the Fife pre 1855 burials.

Kircaldy - Kirsten Haxton other name Hay age 51 wife of John Haxton

I have a Christian Hay/Hoy married to John Haxton - children born in Kirkcaldy. John was a widower by 1851. Are Kirsten/Christian interchangeable names? Could this burial be my Christian Haxton?

Trish

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:13 pm

Hi Trish
I'm guessing this info is from the CD? The CD will tell you the source of the info - possibly the OPR, in which case you should be able to find the OPR death on SP and it may give a bit more info.

Ah, forget the OPR, just had a look and it is from Lair records, ref CH2 which suggests it can be found at NAS. I notice she is aged 51, does that age fit?

Not seeing her in the MI book.

Best wishes
Lelsey

trish1 · Post by **trish1** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:59 pm

Hello Lesley

I did check the opr deaths but couldn't find one for her on SP. The info is from the CD and it is a lair record - sorry I should have said.

I don't have a birth & can't find the family in 1841 (another query I need to post) but the children were born 1828 to 1834 - with a gap then to the last one in 1840, so the age seems reasonable. This is the family in 1851, I don't know if finding them in 1841 would add to the argument.

1851 Scotland Kirkcaldy Parish 442 ED 5 Page 19
High Street No 4
John Haxton 53 head Journeyman Coach Wright Kirkcaldy, Fife
Margaret Haxton 22 dau housekeeper Kirkcaldy, Fife
James Haxton 18 son Coach painters Apprentice Kirkcaldy, Fife
Isabella Haxton 11 dau scholar Kirkcaldy, Fife
Thomas Laing 20 Lodger draper's assistant Crail, Fife

There is also a John Jnr (came to Australia) born 1830 and a Janet born 1834. I have the 1861 image and John Snr is a widower - I don't have the 1851 image yet, but it seems likely he is widowed, so the death seems to fit.

Husband John died in 1868 - would a burial record for him prove anything?

many thanks for the help

Trish

Edit: Is this explained on the CD ref CH2 which suggests it can be found at NAS I have no idea what the codes mean - is there a list I should have found somewhere?

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 4:52 pm

Hi Trish

Is this explained on the CD ref CH2 which suggests it can be found at NAS I have no idea what the codes mean - is there a list I should have found somewhere?

No I don't think the CD does explain the abbreviations given for the sources. If you go to http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/ and enter
CH2/636/28 you'll see it refers to a Burial register 1826-1856 for Kirkcaldy, Old, Kirk Session
and
CH2/636/30 contains a Temporary register of deaths and burials 1783-1838
List of dates of burials from burial letters to session clerk 1807-40
Burials 1768-95
Burials 1826-83
also for Kirkcaldy, Old, Kirk Session

- both records held at NAS. These will be online eventually, but no word yet as far as I'm aware as to when it will be happening.

It is quite possible that the original record may give no more info than you already have as some of the burial and/or lair registers do not contain a lot of info, but some do. Pot luck really!

It certainly would narrow things down a bit more from your point of view you if you had the 1851 image and could confirm that John was a widower, and the 1841 where Christian/Kristen should still be around. No sign on freecen?

Best wishes
Lesley

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LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:14 pm

Is this them?
If so, spelling of that surname may vary more than the abvious Haxton/Hackston[e]

on IGI:
CHRISTIAN HOY
Marriages:
Spouse: JOHN HALKERSTON
Marriage: 15 JUL 1827 Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland

- seems that Kirkcaldy is not yet on freecen for 1841

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:56 pm

Trish,

You may be out of luck with the 1841 Census for Kirkcaldy. I was just looking on Ancestry and didn't see any from that parish so I started googling. Seems many of the original census records from 1841 for Fife were lost in transit and Kirkcaldy is one of the parishes.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/FIF/#Census

Try this link and scroll down to where it is talking about the 1841 Census.

Carol

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:10 pm

duh, of course, silly me!!!

See also http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10571

trish1 · Post by **trish1** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:04 am

Hi Lesley

Many thanks for the information on NAS - I am not very good as using the site. I have sent them an email enquiring about a 1916 will having worked out (after some time) that they have post 1900 wills.

Some time ago I got information from a library in Perth about a lair in one of the cemeteries there. Would I ever be able to discover if someone is buried with/near Kirsten? Would this come from NAS or elsewhere?

LesleyB wrote:Is this them?
If so, spelling of that surname may vary more than the abvious Haxton/Hackston[e]

on IGI:
CHRISTIAN HOY
Marriages:
Spouse: JOHN HALKERSTON
Marriage: 15 JUL 1827 Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland

I have no idea why I didn't find this one. I just downloaded the image and it describes John as a Wright and his father John as a sailor - on his death 1868 John is listed as CoachWright and his father John a seaman - so it seems to be the right person. I have not seen that spelling anywhere before but should have picked up Christian! The image gives her as coming from a different parish & father's name - so very useful. It also leads to her birth in Portmoak 6 Mar 1797, which still fits with the age of death on the fife CD. Her parents are James (2nd son) and Margaret (1st daughter) so to find out why such a name variation, and still to trace the death.

Carol

Thank you for the information on the 1841

- I seem to be missing all the important things with this query.

Trish

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:25 am

Hi Trish

Some time ago I got information from a library in Perth about a lair in one of the cemeteries there. Would I ever be able to discover if someone is buried with/near Kirsten? Would this come from NAS or elsewhere?

If I've contacted a cemetry to find out about a lair they have usually been able to tell me everyone who is in that lair. However, older church records dealing with burials seem to be more listed by date than by who is buried in which lair. If, as the Fife Death Index indicates, the record is taken from Lair records then that at least suggests that lair references are given in the original, but you'd really need to see the two sources mentioned, CH2/636/28 and CH2/636/30 to know exactly how the information has been recorded.

Aren't some of the Perth burial lists online now? Not sure what dates they cover though. Might be of help:

click here

Best wishes
Lesley

trish1 · Post by **trish1** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:17 am

Hi Lesley

I have a little more information & wonder if I have the same person?

A cousin (2nd) has sent me a picture of a tombstone from Kirkcaldy. The inscription reads

Created by John Haxton in Memory of Christian Hoy his spouse, died 19 Sept 1848, aged 50.

The record from the Fife death index reads
Kirsten Haxton, other name Hay died 20 Sep 1848, buried 23 Sep 1848 aged 51, wife of John Haxton.

I think Christian Hoy = Kirsten Hay, should I bother to look further to confirm - and if so, where? I find no sight of her on the opr death records.

Trish