Leith Kirk Sessions post-1700 - a plea

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jennyblain
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Leith Kirk Sessions post-1700 - a plea

Post by jennyblain » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:36 pm

Dear all - does anybody have access to the Leith Kirk Session records post 1700. (Not the ones online - they go only to 1700.)

I have need to look up something for dates in the 1790s. When I get to Edinburgh again I'll hope to look at NAS, but that could be a while. And I have a feeling that somewhere I've seen a reference to a published version (again, not the online ones which are <1700 only, great as they are).

If anybody can advise, please... or any kind soul with access... the volume at NAS would be CH2/716/29...

(would put the 'pray' emoticon in here but you'll just have to imagine it for now!)

:)
Jenny
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Post by LesleyB » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:05 pm

Hi Jenny
Sorry to be really pedantic, but is it North Leith or South Leith? From the ref you gave it looks to be South Leith Kirk Session?

best wishes
Lesley

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Post by jennyblain » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:21 pm

Yes - sorry realised I left that off! South Leith.
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Post by LesleyB » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:26 pm

Well at least that should make your life a lot easier! The South Leith records, from what I have seen of them, were far better kept, more regularly written up, neater and a heck of a lot easier to read than those from North Leith!! (and they seemed to have missed out on the dookin' in water that seems to have been the fate of some of the North Leith material!)

Best wishes
Lesley

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Post by JB » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:49 pm

The records aseem to be digital and accessible in the NAS reading room. I hope to look at some of the South Leith session minutes for the period late 1769-1801 when I am next in the NAS - mid December.

If your search is not too extensive and you have not managed to get there by then I can have a quick look for you.

John
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Post by jennyblain » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:59 am

Thanks John. I'm hoping for a chance to get up to Edinburgh myself before then, but it may not happen... I'm looking in particular for mentions of a James Philp (or Philip) and John Philp - John was a tailor involved in some rows within the tailor's incorporation, about which I'm hoping to learn more. James Philp was a wright, and I'm trying to find out, among other things, whether he was the son of John or from a different family.

In January 1796, after some dispute among the tailors over who was entitled to sit in their seats in South Leith Kirk, there was a small 'seat occupation' by the children of John Philp and two other tailor families. There might just be a mention in the Kirk Session records. It's good that they are digital now.

This is the entry in the Incorporation of Tailors' records in the City Archives - alas I didn't have the chance to find out more during my recent trip north, as the hours at which the City Archives are open are rather restricted. (On another visit I'll try to get back into these records, in addition to trying to pursue the people through the Kirk Session records at NAS and any other means I can find!)
11th January 1796.
It having being represented that Mr Philp’s son & daughter, Mr Hosie’s son & daughter, & Mrs Bowie’s daughter & her servant had on the first Sunday of this year taken possession each of them of a room in this Incorporations Seats in South Leith Church contrary to the instructions given by the Society to Mrs McFarlane their officer & intrusted by her to the above persons intruders, the consideration of this affair is deferred till an after meeting.
At the tailors' next meeting on 25th January 1796, John Philp to pay 6 shillings ‘each room' for the seats occupied by his children. Hosie had to pay only for one 'room' because his children were small enough for the two to occupy one space. Quite an interesting little snippet of social history. :) The tailors seem to have been involved in various rows among themselves for the 20 years before that... :shock:

Jenny
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Message for Sarah!

Post by jennyblain » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:58 pm

This is a message for Sarah on this topic - sorry to everybody else! Sarah, I sent you a pm in reply to yours but it didn't seem to 'go' anywhere - remaining in my 'out box'. I re-sent but the same thing happened. So don't know if you got it or not!

To everybody else - Sarah had asked me how far the Tailors' records lasted - The volumes (4) go from 1730 to 1824, but I only really got up to the 1780s...(and dipped in after that)

Jenny
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Post by LesleyB » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:44 pm

Hi Jenny
The message will stay in your "outbox" until Sarah collects it. Then it moves to your sent box.

Best wishes
Lesley

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Post by jennyblain » Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:49 am

You're right of course! I'd just never noticed that before.. This coincided with my sent-box being 'full' :shock: but that's sorted now.

Back to the tailors and carpenters.. I've heard from another source that there is no mention in the Kirk Session records of the incident to which I referred - not surprisingly as it was an internal tailor matter and so a very long shot.
I'm now chasing something else which I'll put in another message... determined to get an angle on these possible relationships somehow!

Jenny
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