Manners/Ferguson research-year 1657 .....

Elaine · Post by **Elaine** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:11 pm

Would appreciate any suggestions on how to collect information on my 7x grt.grandparents who lived in the year 1657. What sources could I try? Ilive in the United States and have no clue where to begin a scotland search for that year. I have been at this for 2years,so have been to many sites,but all are dead-ends. All I have is their marriage date of July 7,1677 and 2 of their childrens names. I have only old family rumors to go on. Their names are: Alexander Manners b.abt.1657 and Isabell Ferguson b.abt.1656. LDS site lists Tranent,East Lothian as the place the marriage took place. Any help would be very welcome--Thanks
Elaine

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:28 pm

Hi Elaine,

Welcome to TalkingScot.

There are Old Parochial Registers (OPRs) for Tranent going back to 1611 and this is where the 1677 marriage of Alexander Manners and Isabell Ferguson is found.

Unfortunately, their births are "submitted to the LDS" entries on the IGI, rather than extracted from the records. That usually means there is no means of verifying the information. It may be good, or it may be someone's estimate - you may never find out and that is where the trail runs cold.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

Elaine · Post by **Elaine** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:50 pm

Thankyou for your information. I have found many inaccurate entries on the LDS site and, for the most part, use it sparingly. I fear my "trail" will always run cold,but my obsession with Scotland and my ancestry there will keep me going and going--- Thanks--Elaine

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:15 pm

Elaine wrote:Would appreciate any suggestions on how to collect information on my 7x grt.grandparents who lived in the year 1657. What sources could I try? Ilive in the United States and have no clue where to begin a scotland search for that year. I have been at this for 2years,so have been to many sites,but all are dead-ends. All I have is their marriage date of July 7,1677 and 2 of their childrens names. I have only old family rumors to go on. Their names are: Alexander Manners b.abt.1657 and Isabell Ferguson b.abt.1656. LDS site lists Tranent,East Lothian as the place the marriage took place. Any help would be very welcome--Thanks
Elaine

Hello Andrew and Elaine,

Can't help with births but I found this extract -
ISABEL FERGUSON
Female

Marriages:
Spouse: ALEXANDER MARINERS Family
Marriage: 04 JUL 1676 Aberlady, East Lothian, Scotland

Regards,
Annette M

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:16 pm

Hello Elaine

I'm sure you must have already explored some possibilites...but in case not....

Here is a listing from the BIVRI index of a search of MANNER births in Tranent East Lothian anytime:

MANNERS, John Chr 1643 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: William MANNERS
Mo: Jonett JOHNSTOUN
MANNERS, Georg Chr 1644 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: William MANNERS
Mo: Margaret ALLAN
MANNERS, Jonet Chr 1644 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANNERS
Mo: Agnes BELSHIS
MANNERS, Patrick Chr 1644 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Alexander MANNERS
Mo: Christian HENDERSON
MANERS, Andrew Chr 1668 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Andrew MANERS
Mo: Anna FENDAR
MANERS, James Chr 1668 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Alexander MANERS
Mo: Catharine WYLIE
MANERS, William Chr 1668 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Alexander MANERS
Mo: Jean MEIKE
MANERS, George Chr 1669 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: William MANERS
Mo: Jean NICOLSONE
MANNERS, Margaret Chr 1675 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANNERS
Mo: Margaret TAILLIOR
MANNERS, Isabell Chr 1679 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Alexander MANNERS
Mo: Isabell FERGUSON
MANNERS, Eupham Chr 1680 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANNERS
Mo: Margaret TAILLIOUR
MANERS, John Chr 1687 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANERS
Mo: Margaret TAILYIOR
MANERS, John Chr 1690 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Archbald MANERS
Mo: Katherin WYLIE
MANERS, Bir 1712 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: David MANERS
Mo: Margaret BANE
MANNERS, Chr 1712 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANNERS
Mo: Anna SAURS
MANNERS, Robert Bir 1714 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Robert MANNERS
Mo: Margaret GRAHAME
MANNERS, Alexander Bir 1716 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANNERS
Mo: Janet VERNER
MANNERS, Margaret Chr 1716 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Robert MANNERS
Mo: Margrat GRHAME
MANNERS, Margaret Bir 1720 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANNERS
Mo: Jannet VERNER
MANNERS, John Bir 1721 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANNERS
Mo: Jannet VERNER
MANNERS, Francis Bir 1722 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: David MANNERS
Mo: Agnes PRATTS
MANNERS, Robert Bir 1723 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANNERS
Mo: Isabell WILLIAMSON
MANNERS, Jannet Bir 1724 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANNERS
Mo: Jannet VERNER
MANNERS, Thomas Bir 1726 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANNERS
Mo: Isabell WILLIAMSON
MANNERS, Jean Bir 1727 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANNERS
Mo: Jannet VERNER
MANNERS, Marion Bir 1735 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: William MANNERS
Mo: Mary PATERSON
MANNERS, John Bir 1740 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Alexander MANNERS
Mo: Margaret LOVE
MANNERS, James Bir 1741 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Alexander MANNERS
Mo: Margaret LOVE
MANNERS, William Bir 1743 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Alexander MANNERS
Mo: Margaret LOVE
MANNERS, Lillieus Bir 1745 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Allexander MANNERS
Mo: Margaret LOVE
MANNERS, Helen Bir 1746 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Samuel MANNERS
Mo: Elspeth GALL
MANERS, Archibald Bir 1747 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: William MANERS
Mo: Mary ROBERTSON
MANORS, Alexander Bir 1748 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Alexander MANORS
Mo: Margaret LOVE
MANORS, John Bir 1750 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: John MANORS
Mo: Jean MENZIES
MANNERS, George Bir 1786 Scot EaLo Tranen
Fa: Robert MANNERS
Mo: Margaret BAILLIE

Surely there must be some family connections amongst this group of people but it would be a monumental task to sort them out and look for lines.....but then....isn't that what genealogy is all about

!

Actually I'm feeling quite jealous that you've managed to find a direct link to Scottish records from this era. That is quite an accomplishment!!!

Best wishes
Jean

Elaine · Post by **Elaine** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:50 pm

Hi Annette,
Thanks for your reply. What you gave me was a big help----the connection between the last name of Manners and Mariners is one I have been trying to prove for months. Also the "Aberlady" reference on the marriage date is important because I have found Manners there, but disregarded them because there was no connection to Aberlady at that time. Thanks to you I will go back to that now with fresh hope. Elaine

Elaine · Post by **Elaine** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:09 pm

Hi Jean,
There are many of these Manners names who I believe are connected to my line-I have came upon them before- however, I have yet to prove it. There is also the family tale that we were originally named Menzies and came through France-I have yet to find proof of that-to England where the Manners name was born.
I wish I could take credit for the actual original information of my ancestor in 1657,but alas, I can't. This comes from a relative who wrote a book on the Manners and won't give any info about the family to anyone. Must buy the book,if you can find it. Sooooo--I am looking for my own proof of this beginning. The one concrete proof I have is the names in the line. There are many names missing yet,but each one leads back and back so I know Alexander Manners was in Scotland in 1657,but I have no Idea yet where he was. I have filled in many children on my own and will keep digging. Thanks for your help! Elaine

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:06 am

Elaine

What a pity about your mercenary relative. As they say you can pick your friends but not your relatives

Just think of it this way, you have done a considerable amount of research yourself, without said relatives help. So perhaps you can return the favour (not)

Well done I doubt if I will ever get back as far as you have.

Elaine · Post by **Elaine** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:43 pm

Hello Stewie,
How kind of you to make such an encouraging reply!
I am a novice in Genealogy,but I have discovered that ANY seemingly small or far connected bit of information can lead to a major find. I have connected children in my line not listed by using the Scottish naming pattern and then running thru thousands of names on the LDS site until----FOUND! parents with that child listed. Again--thanks for your reply,and---Have hope----It's all out there waiting to be discovered!
Elaine

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:04 pm

Elaine wrote:Hello Stewie,
How kind of you to make such an encouraging reply!
I am a novice in Genealogy,but I have discovered that ANY seemingly small or far connected bit of information can lead to a major find. I have connected children in my line not listed by using the Scottish naming pattern and then running thru thousands of names on the LDS site until----FOUND! parents with that child listed. Again--thanks for your reply,and---Have hope----It's all out there waiting to be discovered!
Elaine

Hi Elaine

That's a very neat encouragement to all researchers to "keep on truckin' " in terms of following up every last little bit of info, which, on a surprisingly good number of occasions, will eventually lead to such a positive outcome

David

PS Pity about the mercenary relative

dww

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