non-OPR church records Ayrshire.....

ksyoung · Post by **ksyoung** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:11 pm

I have been tracking down family in Dalry, Ayrshire and found that some marriages and births are in OPR and some are not in OPR, but are in the IGI as "member submitted". The member-submitted entries give exact birth and christening dates, so I figure they are from church records, but not Church of Scotland. The time span is 1822-1854. Can anyone tell me what other Protestant churches existed in the Dalry area at that time, and whether records are available? And was it common for a family go back and forth between churches?

BTW, the family I am looking is the Walkers:
James Walker and Marion Peden married 1822 in Dalry (OPR). James died in 1855 and his death cert lists all his children: Jane, Janet, Margaret, Barbra, Robert, Robert, Marion, Marion, James, and John.

Thanks

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:32 pm

"Submitted" entries are not from churches other than the Established Church of Scotland !

They are just as described!, i.e. submitted, - by LDS church members (I'm not sure if non-LDS members are permitted to submit such records....).

Part of the faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints is that it is possible to arrange for ancestors to "join" the church, - think of the concept of baptism post-death, - so that the ancestors then enjoy the priviledges of LDS church membership come Judgement Day.

Anyone joining the LDS is recommended/required (?) to submit a family tree, so that this process can be carried out.

A couple of weeks ago, I spent an extremely fascinating but frustrating period on the www trying to establish the extent to which a requirement as opposed to a recommendation was involved; along with the extent of the tree recommended/required.......

As far as the latter is concerned, I believe, but could find no outright proof, that the tree should be back to the applicant's great-grandparents, perhaps even gg-grandparents.

Such submissions are problematic in that they could well be based on very high quality information, e.g. family bibles, but are known equally to be based on at least a degree of speculation, which is more than obvious from a proportion of the submitted entries on FamilySearch.org in terms at least of the vagueness of dates, and considerable variations in the information between different submitters who are referring to the same families.

In the case of some submissions, see www.familysearch.org for details, it may be possible to establish the details of the submitter, and make contact with them.

David

ksyoung · Post by **ksyoung** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:42 pm

Thanks David. Since the member-submission gave exact dates, rather than "abt" dates, I thought that it would be based on either family Bible or formal records. Since both christening and birth dates are given, I was guessing church or Bible. I know that Robert Walker (son of James and Marion) kept a family Bible, and perhaps he was carrying on a family tradition.

As for the LDS "member-submissions", I thought that non-church members could also submit information to the IGI, and that was the only place to publicly post a family tree before the advent of rootsweb etc. Also, LDS members can submit families that are not their own.

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:09 pm

ksyoung wrote:Thanks David. Since the member-submission gave exact dates, rather than "abt" dates, I thought that it would be based on either family Bible or formal records. Since both christening and birth dates are given, I was guessing church or Bible. I know that Robert Walker (son of James and Marion) kept a family Bible, and perhaps he was carrying on a family tradition.

Always a good sign, most especially if there aren't conflicting dates and info from other submitters ...........

ksyoung wrote:As for the LDS "member-submissions", I thought that non-church members could also submit information to the IGI, and that was the only place to publicly post a family tree before the advent of rootsweb etc.

That's something that I've never been able to sort out to my satisfaction, - any further info that you can supply on that aspect would be greatly appreciated !!

ksyoung wrote:Also, LDS members can submit families that are not their own.

You're quite correct, - this was a complication that I didn't want to introduce in my post above.

In other words LDS church members in general, their own direct ancestors apart, can submit any such other details to their church for inclusion in the records of the LDS Church; and the LDS Church itself has a similar programme in terms of the records around the world that they access, not always agreed by the different churches and faiths involved.

David

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:40 pm

In Dalry Parish, apart from the OPRs, the LDS has filmed the following church records.

Dalry Burgher Church: baptisms: 1789-1847, 1847-1923
Dalry Free Church: baptisms: 1843-1945
Court Hill United Pesbyterian Church: baptisms: 1789-1846
St Palladius Roman Catholic Church: baptisms and marriages: 1845-1846, 1848-1908

All the best,

AndrewP

ksyoung · Post by **ksyoung** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:49 am

Thanks Andrew, for the tip on the LDS films. I went to the LDS website and printed out the information on the films. Now to see if I can order them! There is an LDS stake nearby and I guess it's time for me to learn about ordering LDS films. While I am there, I will ask about IGI and Ancestral File submissions.

BTW, there is an very interesting book titled "The Mountain of Names" which is about genealogy and includes a discussion on the LDS church's contribution to genealogy. I think it came out in the 1980's.

Regards,
Katherine

MaryB · Post by **MaryB** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:53 pm

I'm a non member of the LSD, and they have had my info and tree for years. I actually made contatct with another branch of the family through the LSD (IGI site)