Where can I find death records pre 1855?

jeanie A · Post by **jeanie A** » Sun May 13, 2007 4:34 pm

I'm sure this must be an often asked question.
Trying to find the death of several Frews in St. quviox, Ayr c1700/1800.
Is there any where online that I can have a look?
Many Thanks
Jeanie A.

Post by **Pandabean** » Sun May 13, 2007 6:09 pm

Hi Jeanie,

There is no online access to the death records or mortcloths as they are also known by. These can only be accessed on microfilm.

As you are probably aware it was not compulsory for records to be kept before 1855 but some were kept and are known as the OPRs. Death records were even recorded in some parishes but not all. Usually they occur in the form of mortcloth dues which I think was a dark cloth that people were allowed to use for burials and the records are usually for this service which did cost unless it was the free one provided by the church.

Although some parishes do have good death records pre-1855 such as some of the Lothian parishes but they can be in many forms and the ones that I have seen, especially in the case of a child or wife it has been written as "Mr Blogg's son/wife died", it may have a cause and or a place depending on how lucky you are.

Hope that makes sense.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:32 pm

Hi Jeanie
We have some information on this subject here:
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4501
and also monumental inscriptions here:
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4556
and a lot of links to MI info here:
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 1798#31798

Best wishes
Lesley

jeanie A · Post by **jeanie A** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:35 pm

3rd go at replying.
Many thanks for all the info.
Jeanie

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:32 pm

Hi Jeanie

3rd go at replying.

Must have been third time lucky!

If you need any help using the forum we have a "how to..." section which covers most things people wonder about! :
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6542

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **joette** » Tue May 15, 2007 11:54 am

St Qivouik's is one of the Parishes which has quite extensive Death Records. I am not sure of the time scales but there is even cause of death given,parentage-if known,address,description of "unknowns" buried by the Parish.I found it fascinating reading but as far as I am aware only avaiable on film at your local FHC.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:06 pm

Hi all
On GROS it suggets the following is the extent of the OPRs:

6121 ST QUIVOX*
6121/1 B 1735-1819 M 1735-1819 D -
6121/2 B 1819-54 M 1820-54 D -
6121/3 Separate index to B
* See Appendix 1 under reference CH2/319

- which seems to imply there are no deaths in the OPRs. Can you remember anything about what the source was of those you found Joette?

NAS has:
CH2/319 St. Quivox Kirk Session - but again, I'm not seeing any mention of deaths as such, but then there may well be mortcloth records in with the Kirk Session accounts perhaps.

Best wishes
Lesley

jeanie A · Post by **jeanie A** » Tue May 15, 2007 6:40 pm

Thanks once again for input.
By FHC do you mean the centers run bu the Mormons.
Have never been to one of those because I am not sure how they work.
A slightly off topic question but I have just found a marriage on the LDS which is not on Scotland's People. It is not one of the guesses and fits in with children birth dates.
Why would SP not have the info?

Post by **AndrewP** » Tue May 15, 2007 7:39 pm

jeanie A wrote:A slightly off topic question but I have just found a marriage on the LDS which is not on Scotland's People. It is not one of the guesses and fits in with children birth dates.
Why would SP not have the info?

Hi Jeanie,

At the bottom of the results page, does it say that the information is extracted from the records, or that it is from information submitted to the LDS?

ScotlandsPeople's information is from the records only. They do not include any of the submitted information that can be found on the IGI. The problem with the submitted information is that it can be difficult to verify. Some of it is good, but others can be estimates obtained by methods such as calculating a birth year from information given on a census.

All the best,

AndrewP

jeanie A · Post by **jeanie A** » Tue May 15, 2007 8:55 pm

Hi Andrew,
It's extracted marriage for locality etc.
Archibald Frew = Jane (Janet) Symm 19 Sept. 1830 St. Quivox.

On SP I have a same named chap marrying Elizabeth Smith 21/11/1812
Not the same chap since children over lap.
Loads of the St. Quivox records that I am looking for are missing on SP.
Have been trawling through ancestry's Scottish census.
Found William Frew under Fone and James under Trew.
It's no wonder that I am confused!!
Thanks for response.