Help Needed Please

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:16 am

I know it's not what you are looking for but just in case you don't have it- this looks like James's mum living a few doors away in 1841.

Piece: SCT1841/580 Place: Barr -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Barr Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Barr
Folio: 1 Page: 10
Address: Barr Village

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
KENNEDY Sarah F 70 Ayrshire
PRINGLE William M 40 Joiner Ayrshire

Perhaps the marriage was irregular and that's why it doesn't appear in the OPR's. I found one of mine that isn't indexed on the IGI or SP while browsing the film.

Regards,
Annette M

trish58 · Post by **trish58** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:30 pm

Hi Sarah

Sorry for the mix up in JOHN & JAMES.

Annette -Thanks for you help, this is the family.

Sarah- Thanks for the marriage, not sure of the McAmond, and yes anything is a possiblity, and finding the ? Mother.?

Andrew- for the list on IGI minus James born 8 Nov 1846. + the 1851/1861/1871/ census.

Not sure of the year they left for America but Jane Ferguson died ther 1881 Holt, Nebraska.

Would someone please remind me again what an "irregular marriage" means.

Many many thanks again to you all.

Trish

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:38 pm

Hi Trish
For irregular marriages see:

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/conte ... ?r=554&406

Irregular Marriages
Bear in mind that 'irregular' marriages, by exchange of promises before witnesses, by betrothal and consummation, or by cohabitation and repute, were forms of marriage recognised by Scots Law, yet may have taken place without any official record of the event.

and
http://www.geocities.com/mjjodoin/irreg.htm
for a good summary.

Any marriage that did not include a proclamation was considered an irregular marriage and was dealt with by the Kirk Session elders of the local parish. That could include eloping to a Justice of the Peace, or common law marriage. Elopement was a concern because of the not infrequent kidnapping of young heiresses.

Best wishes
Lesley

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:58 pm

Hello Trish,

Chances are you’ve seen this already but Ancestry has a book on the McMath Family including reference to a “James Kennedy McMath, of Ayr, Scotland”. I haven’t seen the content.

http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx= ... 3a7858%3a0

Alan

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:02 pm

Good morning!

I found out recently that my 2x great grandparents were married after being declared in "ante-nuptial fornication". Guess it's a good thing they didn't have red ink back then!

They had their first child a few months after being married and went on to have four more and were married for twenty plus years until my 2x great grandfather died.

I've wondered many times if these various types of "irregular" marriages aren't where so many of our relatives are hiding when they seem to disappear from earth!

Carol

Post by **SarahND** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:14 pm

Currie wrote: Chances are you’ve seen this already but Ancestry has a book on the McMath Family including reference to a “James Kennedy McMath, of Ayr, Scotland”. I haven’t seen the content.

Nice find, Alan!
Hmmm. That book seems to tell a slightly different tale-- I wish they had cited references! But the May 15, 1816 birth for Jane is close enough to the May 17, 1814 christening I found to make me feel it is the same person. The year could easily have been off.

Looks like you'll have an interesting time trying to check all that out, Trish!

trish58 · Post by **trish58** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:51 pm

Hi again

Thanks once again for all the imput, yes it does look like an "Irregular" marriage.

Thanks to Alan for the book find, only had chance for a quick peek, will need more time-Apprecciate it Alan.

Thanks Lesley & Ann. Looks like I have some studying to do with what has come to light.

Thanks again
Trish

trish58 · Post by **trish58** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:41 pm

Hi Alan

Just spent a little while reading some of the contents of the "The McMath Family" great stuff, thank so much for finding this, will see now if there is a way to purchace the book.

Trish

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:43 am

That’s ok Trish,

Here’s some links to books for sale. Apparently both volumes are available as reprints on demand. I found some of the descriptions a bit confusing, there seem to be several varieties.

http://www.higginsonbooks.com/mcalliste ... ttSC2.html
http://timelessgen.com/catalog/product_ ... ts_id/3071
http://www.biblio.com/search.php?author ... ny&stage=1
http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?title ... +memorials
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Searc ... s&x=75&y=9

Alan