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Post by **emanday** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:57 pm

Here's a wee bit of a mystery.

I have just downloaded the DC's for James Badenoch and his wife Christina Winchester.

James died in May 1868 and Christina in December 1868.

Christina's informant looks like Margaret ?Lister? stated to be a neighbour.
James informant looks for all the world like the same signature, but is stated as Brother!

I've uploaded the two signatures as a side by side. Anyone got any suggestions?

In the great scheme of things, probably not essential information, but it's got my "What the devil" mode running

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1358

URL added by HeatherH just to make viewing a wee bit easier.

Post by **HeatherH** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:10 pm

Hi Mary,
The Neighbor and the Brother are quite clear to read but I'm not sure of the signature of the informant. For some reason lately whenever I open a file on TS its in Quicktime and I can't make it do the things I used to eg. blowing up the image and focusing it better. Anyone know if this is a feature of TS or is it my computer that has decided to choose the quicktime viewer all on its own. I'll muck about and see if I can't view it better in another program . Hopefully someone with better eyes will be along shortly.
Good luck,
HeatherH

Post by **emanday** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:19 pm

Hi Heather,

If any of your programs that also use Quicktime (iTunes for one) have updated recently Quicktime automatically sets itself up as the default viewer. It's a real pain.

I use Alternatiff to view images in TS (it installs as an ActiveX addin to IE). Brilliant wee program and it's FREE

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:47 pm

Hello Mary,

It might even be Alexander Lister or Lester although the x looks a bit odd.

Alan

Post by **HeatherH** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:52 pm

I thought I'd try a round about way using the 1861 census to see how many Lister/ Lesters may be near. I found Christina but no sign of James .Are you sure he died May 1868? For Lester names we have Archibald, Elizabeth, Elspeth, James , George ,Jane , John and William. However they are in either Rothes or Elgin while Christina is in Urquhart .So thats not so helpful.
Back to the drawing board.
Heather

Post by **Jean Jeanie** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:05 pm

Hi Mary

The image on the left looks like Margaret and the image on the right looks like Alexander to me. Both Lester or Lister

Best wishes
Jean

Post by **HeatherH** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:05 pm

Hi Mary,
I could be way off base here but the surname on the second cert does appear to be Lester and says brother underneith. I know they used rather broad definitions of relationship titles so with this in mind and Knowing Christina's maiden name is Winchester could it be her brother in law instead eg her sisters hubby or even James Badneoch's sister's hubby signing ? It may be a clue to a marriage in the family or like I said I could be away wandering with the fairies.

Heather

Post by **emanday** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:08 pm

Hi Heather,

He definitely died in May 1868, but he didn't die at home. Place of death is given as Bridge of Allan - a hospital maybe. He'd had liver disease for "some months". However, his "domicile" is given as Garmouth, Urquhart, same as on that 1861 census.

I wondered about where he was in 1861 as well, and he was a farmer by 1868 - so unlikely to be working away from home. However, in 1851 he was listed as a shipbuilder, same as most of the other males in his family. They had interests in the West Indies, maybe he was there?

Post by **emanday** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:18 pm

HeatherH wrote:could it be her brother in law instead eg her sisters hubby or even James Badneoch's sister's hubby signing ? It may be a clue to a marriage in the family or like I said I could be away wandering with the fairies.

I can see I will have to do a bit of "credit card battering" on SP again to find out if Christina had any sisters.

Could the "Neighbour" on the other DC maybe a rellie who did sign both DC's?

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:29 am

Back again Mary,

If the brother/neighbour relationships on the certificates are reliable you would think that Lister/Lester was related to James and that the relationship to Christina ended (or at least ended in Lister/Lesters mind - or perhaps he was confused as to what the relationship now was) upon the death of James.

If that was the case Lister/Lester would be a brother in law of James or even a half brother from a different father and not related otherwise to Christina. Any chance that James mother married twice? What was her maiden name?

Hope that makes sense.
Alan