Perusing the digital archives of The Scotsman

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Perusing the digital archives of The Scotsman

Post by speleobat2 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:48 am

Recently I received some information from Wini about an accidentlal drowning of one of my grandmother's cousins and his wife. The cover letter said that the incident was widely covered by the press including The Scotsman so I found my way to their website and bought a 24 hour pass to the digital archives.

A few suggestions:

Get organized first! I know, I know, easier said than done, but the passes are on a twenty four hour clock and that clock starts ticking as soon as you pay! 8-[

At least figure out which family names you want to search and prioritize them. The articles available all come up as files that must be downloaded after you choose one from a list of headlines and each article is then broken down into segments so my 59 hits for Clerihew actually was more like 150 files. If you have a dial up internet connection like I do (Oh! Woe is us!!!) this can take a long time. :- :roll:

Also, try to plan your visit for sometime other than Saturday afternoon or evening which is when I was trying to read files while the clock was ticking. Everybody is on the internet and I think a lot of them were trying to view the archives yesterday while I was too. Everything slows down even more at this time. :roll:

Take a few minutes to read the search tips and check out the tool bars. The tips help and you can store articles in a clippings file to read later. Also you can use the "text view" button. It is fast on downloading, but sometimes brings up a lot of gibberish. (A techie will have to explain why!) However, usually you get enough words so you can decide if the article is worth waiting for or should be skipped.

The search engine highlights the word you searched for, but this can be misleading. When I searched for the name Raitt, one time I waited and waited for the download only to see that the typesetter had come to the end of a line and hypenated the word portrait--port-rait and his second syllable was highlighted for me! :-s

So what did I find out:

Patrick Clerihew applied for a church position in 1843.
Mr. Clerihew of Syllavithy won ribbons for his fillies and a gelding in 1875
Alexander Clerihew won ribbons for his Fox Terriers in 1902.
Frances George Smith changed his name adding Clerihew in 1895.

Several Clerihews went bankrupt over the years.
One Clerihew was a constable and one a poll sheriff.
One was arrested and jailed for stealing a bag with 18 pounds Sterling in it. :shock:
One was tried and jailed for bigamy adding to my confusion over who really is who in this family. ](*,)
One bought a paid subscription to the opposition to St. Mary's Loch Scheme in 1871.
Several joined the army and fought and died in WWI.

Mrs. Anne Clerihew Kilpatrick died Oct. 10, ?
Which brings me to my last point--take good notes. I forgot to write down the year on this one and didn't notice it until after the clock had run out!
:oops:

Carol
Looking for: Clerihew, Longmuir/Longmore, Chalmers, Milne, Barclay in Newhills,
Munro, Cadenhead, Raitt, Ririe/Reary

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Post by Currie » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:04 am

Hello Carol,

Clerihew’s a fairly uncommon sort of a name. I checked the London Times Index and there were around 100 hits for Clerihew. Most didn’t seem to be anything at all but there were some Scottish connections. Do you have access to the Times? Are you looking for anything in particular or just anything Clerihew at all?

One obituary I saw was for an Edmund Clerihew Bentley b.1875 son of J E Bentley & Scottish mother M R Clerihew. (Probably the 1874 marriage in England John Edmund Bentley to Margaret Richardson Clerihew). Do you think he might be one of yours?

The London and Edinburgh Gazettes have a number of entries for Clerihew although I haven’t looked at them.
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/

Alan

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Post by frances » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:46 am

CLERIHEW- A humorous verse form invented by Edmund Clerihew Bentley. :lol:

Thought this may be of interest.

Frances
searching for macrae family Black Isle/ Invernessshire

Kelly/Kelley/Burns family -Ireland /Lanarkshire/Edinburgh

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Post by Rockford » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:56 am

Hi Carol,

Anne Clerihew Kilpatrick, widow of James Kilpatrick (Seaforth Highlanders) died on 10 October 1927 at Castle Street, Edinburgh.

I know how you feel about not writing full information at the time - I was in New Register House in Edinburgh on Friday and now realise that some of my copious notes are full of holes!

Best wishes

Brian
SMITH - Luss/Lanarkshire
BURNSIDE - Londonderry/Lothian
SWEENEY - Donegal/Monklands
GILCHRIST - Lanark/Lothians/Peebles
HUNTER/GWYNNE - Monklands/Fife/Stirling
LOGIE/DUNLOP/YOUNG/THOMSON - Lothian

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Post by Currie » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:37 am

Carol speleobat2
Couldn’t find Clerihew
Searching The Scotsman
Drove her to distraction

Alan

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Post by speleobat2 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:04 pm

Good morning everybody and thank you!

Alan: Thanks for the info on the London papers. I'll check out the gazettes later today. I don't have access to the Times, but I'm betting that most of what's there concerns Edmund Clerihew Bentley, the writer. Along with the poems, he is credited with writing the first modern mystery. Loved your "clerihew". I never could get the hang of writing them. I'm "poetically challenged". I just don't have an ear for that sort of thing! The Richardson Clerihews are a different branch of the family though. There goes my 15 minutes of fame!

I'm interested in any of the Scottish connections. My Dad was stationed around London just before D-day and I rememeber him saying that he looked up some of the family including an elderly lady who was 108 years old. I know I saw a picture of her, but my brother and sister haven't been able to find it in my parents papers and I can't figure out who she was. The only close family connection that I know of in the London area was a Munro, my grandmother's oldest brother William.

Frances: Thanks to you too for the note on clerihews!

Brian: Thanks for filling in the blank on Anne Clerihew Kilpatrick. I thought the date was in the 1920's but when I tried to check it on SP I came up with an Anne Clerihew Kilpatrick who died in 1933. Haven't had a chance to follow up on that yet.

Carol
Looking for: Clerihew, Longmuir/Longmore, Chalmers, Milne, Barclay in Newhills,
Munro, Cadenhead, Raitt, Ririe/Reary

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Post by SarahND » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:10 pm

Currie wrote:Carol speleobat2
Couldn’t find Clerihew
Searching The Scotsman
Drove her to distraction
Alan Currie
Never did worry
When writing a Clerihew
Since lines there are very few...

Sarah :wink:

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Post by speleobat2 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:51 pm

Alan,

How do you get access to the London Times archive? I went looking and what I found said it was at the discretion of the archivist and with two letters of reference. Yikes! Don't they have an amateur, pay per view venue for people like me who just want to look up a few things?

I checked out the gazette website. It's fast, easy to use and FREE! :D My kind of place! The George Clerihew, army doctor, who keeps cropping up I think eventually retires from the army and becomes a venture capitalist of sorts. He must have been successful, I never found a banruptcy notice for him. He also wasn't a twig on my branch of the Clerihew tree! [sigh]

Carol
Looking for: Clerihew, Longmuir/Longmore, Chalmers, Milne, Barclay in Newhills,
Munro, Cadenhead, Raitt, Ririe/Reary

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Post by LesleyB » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:38 pm

Hi Carol
Yikes! Don't they have an amateur, pay per view venue for people like me who just want to look up a few things?
Not that I have found, but it is possible to access it from certain libraries, Universities etc. It is accessible with an "Anthens" log in which a student or a member of University or College staff may have, or as mentioned, many libraries may also have access: check with your local librarian! If your local libarary does not have access they may know where you can get access.

Best wishes
Lesley

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Post by JustJean » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:11 am

Hmmm :? Earlier this year I was told a way to access the London Times through the Bedfordshire Virtual library. You have to sign in and join and are send a pin number etc. I did all that and know at one point I was able to access it. I just tried now though and am met with server error messages. Perhaps that is becasue it's after hours right now in the UK :wink: ..or perhaps it doesn't work any longer. :cry: Will try again in the AM :D

Best wishes
Jean