frustrated

[hg]

I'm feeling really frustrated.

I first started my research last December and have done well, adding 90 ancesters so far to may tree, but I have now hit a brick wall with all of my ancesters born before 1855. No luck with any births. I am wondering if I am doing something wrong. I knew it would be more difficult but not this difficult. I cannot for example, find any further information for Hugh Glacken, I even went to the Mitchell Libarary in the hopes of finding our further informatio but, no luck. Further detaild for Stephano Belli death has proven to also be a brick wall . Hughs wife Catherine and Charles Main are others that I cannot find. I just don't know what to do.

Maybe I am just expecting to much or not looking in the right place!

Just wondered if anyone else had felt frustrted or like giving up.

People on TS have been so helpful in response to my previous postings and I am very grateful to all those who have helped.

all the best
Helen

[AndrewP]

Hi Helen,

Pre-1855 births and marriages are a bit of a lottery. If your people were outwith the (Established) Church of Scotland, then it is unlikely that their records are to be found in the OPRs. The Catholic or seceeding church records are in other archive repositories, such as the Scottish Catholic Archives and the National Archives of Scotland, and thus not on ScotlandsPeople. Then other possibilities are that they were not baptized, or there are no records of their baptisms.

The post-1855 marriage records should give an indication of which church they belonged to.

For the first (and sometimes second) generations born pre-1855, then if they were married or died post-1855, then these records should exist and be available on ScotlandsPeople. Also, the censuses starting from 1841 should be available there too.

All the best,

AndrewP

[scooter]

Hi Helen,

have you seen the Hugh Glacken living on Sidney Street in Glasgow?

He is aged about 40, born in Ireland and a Cotton Hand Loom Weaver. Also listed is a Catherine (b. abt 1811, LKS), Hugh (aged 9, b. LKS), William (aged 4, b. Glasgow) and Margaret (aged 2, b. LKS). Also in the house is a James M McManamey (b. abt 1800, Ireland) and a Widow McManamey (b. abt 1766, Ireland).

From the 1851 Census I see that Hugh was from Derry, and his wife, Glasgow.

If these are your family, then I can understand the frustration of having no further evidence of them prior to 1855 as my family also lived in Glasgow during this period, and no records exist for them. I believe coverage during the first half of the nineteenth century is quite patchy for Glasgow.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Scott

[scooter]

Further still, I see that in 1861 Hugh was resident in the city parish poorhouse, which assuming this is your man, you must go back to the Mitchell as I'd bet you'd find more on him in their excellent poorhouse records.

[hg]

Hi Scott and AndrewP,

Thank you very much for you reply.

I have all the information already and I have been to the Mitchell Library but, no luck. I found some applications for relief for the family but nothing to shed any further light on Hugh. One of the census shows him as coming from Derry but thats all I have.

As for Catherine, there is an entry in the relief application she was born in Dunbarton. Her ms is Mccartney but I can find nothing regarding her birth. I know her parents, John and Margaret (ms McAnally) were deceased at 1862 (it say this on the releif application). I have checked the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census but can't find anything. There is an entry in one of the relief applications that state their religion as Roman Catholic but I don't know if Catherine was Roman Catholic or if she became Catholic when she married Hugh.

I have found their marriage, there isn't much on that either. They were married in Glasgow on 18/9/1831. I assume in the church of Scotland! Would I be right in thinking that?

I am going down the route of looking at the Roman Catholic archives at the moment. I will see where that takes me.

Once again, thanks for all the help.

regards

Helen

[Chris Paton]

Northern Irish street directories are online for free at http://proni.aetopia.com/scripts/WebObj ... irectories from 1819 to 1900, including one for Derry in 1839. You might want to see if you can find any Glackens in Derry (ie the county of Londonderry and not the city), as it might narrow down a likely area to target your search further.

Chris

[hg]

Thanks for the tip Chris.
No Glackens to be found though.
I wonder is the 'Derry' referred to in the census is actually Londondery!
Any more ideas gratefully received.

regards
Helen

[LesleyB]

Hi Helen

I wonder is the 'Derry' referred to in the census is actually Londondery

Londonderry / Derry is the same town - it depended what "flavour" of church you went to as to what it was called.

Best wishes
Lesley

[hg]

Hi Lesley,

Which church would use Derry?

best wishes

Helen

[LesleyB]

Hi Helen
Broadly speaking, Derry tends to be the Catholic name, and Londonderry is the Protestant name.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry for more info

Best wishes
Lesley