Who lived here?

[pattycake]

New to the site and would be grateful for some help.How do I find out who lived at 49 William St. Mile End in April 1884, marriage performed by R Goodwillie ? Minister of Newhall. Thanks

[LesleyB]

Hi Pattycake
...and welcome to Talking Scot

A good place to start might be the 1881 census...it's a couple of years before the date you are interested in, but might give you the answer you are looking for.

Other than that, a PO Directory for the area for that year might also be a help. I'm not sure what part of Scotland we are looking at here - where is Mile End?

Best wishes
Lesley

[SarahND]

Hello and welcome!
I ran into the same problem as Lesley... which Mile End are we talking about? I assume from the Minister's 1881 record that it is in Glasgow?

1881:
186 Berkeley St, Kelvin, Glasgow Barony
Richard Goodwillie, 34, Head, born Strathmiglo, Fifeshire, Assist Minister Milton Parish
Rachel Goodwillie, 34, Wife, born Strathmiglo, Fifeshire
Elizabeth Goodwillie, 14, Daughter, born Dundee, Forfarshire, scholar
Margaret P Goodwillie, 12, Daughter, born Dundee, Forfarshire, Scholar
Catherine G Goodwillie, 7, Daughter born Dreghorn, Ayrshire, scholar

If so, there doesn't appear to be a number 49 on William Street in 1881-- 30 is about as high as it goes. There is a 49 William St in Dundee, Dunfermline, etc. But no Glasgow. k

All the best,
Sarah

[AndrewP]

According to http://www.greekthomson.com/Queens%20Park%20talk.htm there was a Newhall Parish Church opened in 1874-1875 at 254 Main Street, Glasgow. I guess the mystery that leaves is "which Main Street"? I am sure there wil be a choice. There are Kirk Session (ref. CH2/509) records of 1873-1952 for this church held in the Glasgow City Archives (the Mitchell Library?).

I have seen an 1879 marriage certificate for a marriage in Newhall Parish Church. It was registered in the registration district of (Glasgow) Bridgeton. The minister then was William Hutchison. So, I presume there was a William Street in that area (much clutching at straws here).

All the best,

AndrewP

[Currie]

This site has William St Mile End change of name to Broad Place SE prior to 1940.
http://www.glescapals.com/streetnames.htm

19th Century British Library Newspapers - In the Glasgow Herald the earliest mention of the street is in 1846 featuring reports of women being blown around by a Hurricane (Crinoline sailing?). The latest is in 1894 where there’s a mention of dwelling houses being erected on the corner of Broad Street and William Street Mile End. There are scattered reports of unruly behaviour in the street up to numbers in the high 20s or thereabouts.

Glasgow Herald report of 8th September, 1874.
William Street, Mile-End.
A deputation from certain inhabitants of the East End was next introduced, and presented a memorial praying that the board should take into consideration the necessity of opening up William Street, Mile-End, and of erecting a bridge over Camlachie Burn, which intersects the street near its junction with London Road. The memorial set forth that the burn was a great nuisance to the neighbourhood, and that during the past two years two children had lost their lives through the insufficiency of the bridge. The deputation having been heard, Bailie Moir stated that the street at the point referred to was a private street, that the public had no right upon it, and that it was the duty of the proprietors, and not of the Police Board, to make the street. The memorial was ultimately remitted to the Statute Labour Committee.

Maybe a bridge or a street extension or renaming has confused the issue and the residence was actually in another street or something. I haven’t looked at the actual geography.

Hope this helps.
Alan

[joette]

Alan has just introduced a new sport-Crinoline Sailing-maybe even an Olympic event?

I'd be (pardon the pun) up for it!
From what I understand as well many ladies may have worn crinolines but they did not wear emm undergarments!

[pattycake]

Thankyou so much for taking the time to reply to my question.The william street is in mile end glasgow burgh of Camlachie glasgow it does look like no. 49.I was hoping to find out who lived there because it might show if the occupants were relatives of the bride or groom because I read that Scottish marriages around that time took place at the Brides, Grooms or relatives home.As you probably guessed I've only recently started on the family trail so appreciate any help.Once again thankyou for al the help/advice.

[Currie]

Back again Pattycake,

If you go here http://maps.google.com/maps and search for Broad Street Glasgow you’ll see the current situation. According to what I posted before William St. had a corner with Broad St., a junction with London Rd. via something over Camlachie Burn and according to one Web site was renamed Broad Close.

This 1866/67 Glasgow Directory has what looks like an Engineering Works at 40 William St. Mile End. (Maybe you had to pay to have your name in the book?)
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=NO8 ... J&pg=PA504

Here’s Broad Street.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=NO8 ... J&pg=PA374

This page has the two streets grouped together.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=NO8 ... AJ&pg=PA56

This one has Broad Close somewhere else and Broad St. from Orr St. to David St.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=NO8 ... AJ&pg=PA43

And here’s Orr St. from Canning St. to Broad St.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=NO8 ... AJ&pg=PA51

Zoom into the map. Maybe William St. was the short bit of street from the intersection of Broad and Orr almost to London Road but didn’t quite get there because Camlachie Burn was in the way, and which is currently shown as part of Orr Street?

With such a confusing set of streets some people may not have been sure where they actually lived.

and….

Crinoline Sailing
Lesson 1. Select your lamp-post.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/3137387 ... 22FB410D56

Alan

[pattycake]

Thank you Currie for pointing me in the right direction

William St is off Broad Street so I am now going to check the 1881 census.

thanks again for all the info

pattycake