Hi
I am TRYING to find my ancestors but they seem to have vanished. Can anyone out there help.
Names are Duncan Campbell born 1859-1960 (parents John Brown and Annie Towns) married a Janet Brown we think in Scotland and then he immigrated to Australia in about 1888 and she we THINK followed the year after. They went to Maryborough Queensland Australia.
Can anyone advise on how we can search and find but please not too expensive and possibly free as I have spent enough already.
Regards
Des
scottish ancestry
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LesleyB
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Hi Des
...and welcome to Talking Scot.
You say your relatives have vanished - can you tell us where you have already looked?
You think Duncan was born around 1859-60; how have you come to this conclusion? Have you seen him on a census (the 1881 would probably be a good place to start), or perhaps you know when he died and his age was given at that point?
If you can fill us in a bit on the research that has led you to this point, that will help us to help you.
Best wishes
Lesley
...and welcome to Talking Scot.
You say your relatives have vanished - can you tell us where you have already looked?
You think Duncan was born around 1859-60; how have you come to this conclusion? Have you seen him on a census (the 1881 would probably be a good place to start), or perhaps you know when he died and his age was given at that point?
I'm not quite following this bit - do you mean that neither of Duncan's parents share his surname of Campbell? Od are they Janet's parents?parents John Brown and Annie Towns
If you can fill us in a bit on the research that has led you to this point, that will help us to help you.
Best wishes
Lesley
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WilmaM
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Welcome to Talking Scot ![[scotland-flag]](./images/smilies/scotland-happy.gif "[scotland-flag]")
Des,
Hopefully we can help find your vanished long losts.
There are several resources that you can use.
The obvious one is Scotlands People [link at top of page] they are the official Scottish records site, you do have to pay to view but with a bit of home work first it's very reasonable.
They have all the Births, Death & marriages plus census records so if they were in Scotland they should be in there somewhere!
The IGI at familysearch.org can be helpful
Freecen http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl isn't complete yet.
The Australian library service gives you access to a very wide range of sites - do a search on here to find out more.
Happy Hunting.
Des,Hopefully we can help find your vanished long losts.
There are several resources that you can use.
The obvious one is Scotlands People [link at top of page] they are the official Scottish records site, you do have to pay to view but with a bit of home work first it's very reasonable.
They have all the Births, Death & marriages plus census records so if they were in Scotland they should be in there somewhere!
The IGI at familysearch.org can be helpful
Freecen http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl isn't complete yet.
The Australian library service gives you access to a very wide range of sites - do a search on here to find out more.
Happy Hunting.
Wilma
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LesleyB
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Hi Des
Are you sure about the approx. date of birth for Duncan of 1859/60?
It is just that there is a possible marriage on IGI for a couple with those names (also showing on Scotlands People) on 14th June 1867 at Blythswood, Glasgow, but it may not be them. But I'm not seeing any other likely marriages on SP though, so either they married earlier than you thought, did not marry at all, or married elsewhere!
Best wishes
Lesley
Are you sure about the approx. date of birth for Duncan of 1859/60?
It is just that there is a possible marriage on IGI for a couple with those names (also showing on Scotlands People) on 14th June 1867 at Blythswood, Glasgow, but it may not be them. But I'm not seeing any other likely marriages on SP though, so either they married earlier than you thought, did not marry at all, or married elsewhere!
Best wishes
Lesley
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Des
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Des - lost ancestors
Hi everyone
Ihave been through IGI and they don't appear to be there.
Joined up Ancestry.com and Ancestry.com.au and not there. Did find them both on the electoral roles in Australia. i.e. Duncan and Janet my G Grandparents who I never knew - dead before I came along. Found them deceased on the Australian Archives and their respective burials also found when Janet Brown/Campbell and Duncan Campbell immigrated to Australia.
Found their deaths on Aussie archives.
Did search our electoral rolls here and found Duncan was a stationmaster with the Queensland Rail and lived and worked in Boreren around Gladstone/Queensland/Australia area for many years with Janet. They had four children (one being my grandfather William Melville Campbell)
I see someone said they saw a marriage in 1867 but surely that can't be correct as our ancestors Janet Brown and Duncan Campbell are supposed to be have been born 1859 and 1860 respectively. They couldn't be much older than that anyway to fit in with their deaths being Janet in 1925 and buried in Brisbane and Duncan in 1940 (we haven't found his plot as yet.We found his death in State Archives (Brisbane Queensland Australia)
I did look in ScottishPeople but it wasn't cheap and as I was only GUESSING it ended up being a bit of an expensive proposition.
Their names are supposed to be JANET CAMPBELL (nee brown) and DUNCAN CAMPBELL - duncans parents being John Campbell and Annie Towns.
Janet is SUPPOSED to have been born according to her burial in 1860 and Duncan born in 1859/60/61
Now I am trying to locate their parents - have no idea who Janets are or where she came from whether it be England or Scotland and I do know Duncans parents are John Campbell and Annie Towns. However once again have no idea where they came from and where he was born.
I am waiting on Duncans death certificate which could take 8 weeks but woud love to find out at least something more myself before then.
I will attend a local Ancestry Club to see if there is anything on their records which I doubt as I have been informed the Scottish records are pretty sparse.
If any of you can advise of help please let me know
Kindest Regards
Des - Queensland Australia
Ihave been through IGI and they don't appear to be there.
Joined up Ancestry.com and Ancestry.com.au and not there. Did find them both on the electoral roles in Australia. i.e. Duncan and Janet my G Grandparents who I never knew - dead before I came along. Found them deceased on the Australian Archives and their respective burials also found when Janet Brown/Campbell and Duncan Campbell immigrated to Australia.
Found their deaths on Aussie archives.
Did search our electoral rolls here and found Duncan was a stationmaster with the Queensland Rail and lived and worked in Boreren around Gladstone/Queensland/Australia area for many years with Janet. They had four children (one being my grandfather William Melville Campbell)
I see someone said they saw a marriage in 1867 but surely that can't be correct as our ancestors Janet Brown and Duncan Campbell are supposed to be have been born 1859 and 1860 respectively. They couldn't be much older than that anyway to fit in with their deaths being Janet in 1925 and buried in Brisbane and Duncan in 1940 (we haven't found his plot as yet.We found his death in State Archives (Brisbane Queensland Australia)
I did look in ScottishPeople but it wasn't cheap and as I was only GUESSING it ended up being a bit of an expensive proposition.
Their names are supposed to be JANET CAMPBELL (nee brown) and DUNCAN CAMPBELL - duncans parents being John Campbell and Annie Towns.
Janet is SUPPOSED to have been born according to her burial in 1860 and Duncan born in 1859/60/61
Now I am trying to locate their parents - have no idea who Janets are or where she came from whether it be England or Scotland and I do know Duncans parents are John Campbell and Annie Towns. However once again have no idea where they came from and where he was born.
I am waiting on Duncans death certificate which could take 8 weeks but woud love to find out at least something more myself before then.
I will attend a local Ancestry Club to see if there is anything on their records which I doubt as I have been informed the Scottish records are pretty sparse.
If any of you can advise of help please let me know
Kindest Regards
Des - Queensland Australia
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trish1
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Hi Des
I have many Scottish families who came to Australia in the 1800s and have been able to trace them back - at least to the late 1700s (some 1600s) in Scotland, so you should be able to find them. Civil registration started in 1855, so if your folks were born c. 1860 they should be recorded, and in fact, they should be in the IGI as it covers civil births to 1875. Once you are used to searching on SP, you will find it provides the least expensive option within UK and Australia for purchasing bdm records. I always search the IGI first, as that is even cheaper, and not so demanding of spelling.
You have said you found the immigration at the Qld archives - I don't easily see them in the online indexes - were they married when they arrived in Australia - did they have children with them? I see 4 children born in Queensland, but no suitable marriage. Were they ever in another Australian state?
Norman Allan 1889
Winifred Isabella 1892
William Melville 1895
Leslie Duncan 1901
Children's names are often an indicator of parent/grandparent names in Scottish families.
This is the index record for the only Janet Campbell who died in Brisbane in 1925
1925/B46850 Campbell Janet Andrew Brown - ** born Scotland aged 65 years.
This indicates her father was Andrew Brown - mothers name not known (or not given) and year of birth 1860.
The online index for Qld deaths stops at 1929, so I cannot check Duncan's death but I assume your parent names John and Annie come from the death index on microfiche at the archives.
There is no extracted birth (that I can find at the right time) for Janet with father Andrew born in Scotland - there are many Janet Browns. There are a number of Jane Browns with father Andrew - sometimes interchanged with Janet. I see 2 possibilities on the 1861 census
3yo Janet born Wemyss Fife - parents Andrew and Janet (this one on the IGI born 1857) or 2 year old parents Andrew and Elizabeth born Roxburghshire. (this one on the IGI as JESSIE)
I am wondering if the ages were adjusted slightly (perhaps to be under 30) for immigration reasons?
Do you have a birth certificate for one of the children (William Melville perhaps) as they should state where the parents were born & when and where they married - I have a number of Qld birth certificates - my earliest 1874, that provide this information.
Like you, I find nothing looking like the correct record on the IGI for Duncan. Some Queensland certificates seem to be needed to help your search. I have heard the 8 weeks has been reduced in recent times, but the Qld registry is not my favourite in terms of service provided, so I would never be sure of their service times.
Trish
I have many Scottish families who came to Australia in the 1800s and have been able to trace them back - at least to the late 1700s (some 1600s) in Scotland, so you should be able to find them. Civil registration started in 1855, so if your folks were born c. 1860 they should be recorded, and in fact, they should be in the IGI as it covers civil births to 1875. Once you are used to searching on SP, you will find it provides the least expensive option within UK and Australia for purchasing bdm records. I always search the IGI first, as that is even cheaper, and not so demanding of spelling.
You have said you found the immigration at the Qld archives - I don't easily see them in the online indexes - were they married when they arrived in Australia - did they have children with them? I see 4 children born in Queensland, but no suitable marriage. Were they ever in another Australian state?
Norman Allan 1889
Winifred Isabella 1892
William Melville 1895
Leslie Duncan 1901
Children's names are often an indicator of parent/grandparent names in Scottish families.
This is the index record for the only Janet Campbell who died in Brisbane in 1925
1925/B46850 Campbell Janet Andrew Brown - ** born Scotland aged 65 years.
This indicates her father was Andrew Brown - mothers name not known (or not given) and year of birth 1860.
The online index for Qld deaths stops at 1929, so I cannot check Duncan's death but I assume your parent names John and Annie come from the death index on microfiche at the archives.
There is no extracted birth (that I can find at the right time) for Janet with father Andrew born in Scotland - there are many Janet Browns. There are a number of Jane Browns with father Andrew - sometimes interchanged with Janet. I see 2 possibilities on the 1861 census
3yo Janet born Wemyss Fife - parents Andrew and Janet (this one on the IGI born 1857) or 2 year old parents Andrew and Elizabeth born Roxburghshire. (this one on the IGI as JESSIE)
I am wondering if the ages were adjusted slightly (perhaps to be under 30) for immigration reasons?
Do you have a birth certificate for one of the children (William Melville perhaps) as they should state where the parents were born & when and where they married - I have a number of Qld birth certificates - my earliest 1874, that provide this information.
Like you, I find nothing looking like the correct record on the IGI for Duncan. Some Queensland certificates seem to be needed to help your search. I have heard the 8 weeks has been reduced in recent times, but the Qld registry is not my favourite in terms of service provided, so I would never be sure of their service times.
Trish