Alexander Morrison & Jean Hamilton abt 1812 Rutherglen

[Asmiffy]

Would anyone have access to Rutherglen, Lanarkshire OPR on cd. I've searched extensively on the IGI & ScotlandsPeople but can't locate marriage about 1812 for an Alexander Morrison to a Jean or Jane Hamilton both of the same parish. I know that the OPR might not reveal anything much, but in particular I would like to establish whether Jean's father was an Andrew Hamilton. Alexander Morrison was born about 1787 in Rutherglen & Jean Hamilton about 1790 in Rutherglen. They had at least 4 sons, all born in Rutherglen as follows off the IGI:

John born 13 June 1813..... Andrew born 27 Jan 1815..... Alexander born 26 Feb 1817..... Thomas Morrison born 7 Feb 1819

Thomas married a Jean or Jane Glen on 28 May 1842 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire. They had at least 5 children born in Old Monkland.

There seems to be a inference with 2nd Son Andrew, possibly indicating naming after Jean's father Andrew, but that's what I'm trying to find out.

I fear however, if it can'tbe found on ScotlandsPeople it likely may not exist at all, even on a OPR cd, but who knows?

Would appreciate any info.
Thankyou
Lindsay

[LesleyB]

Hi Lindsay
As the entries of their children on IGI are all submissions, not extracts, that may explain why you can't find a marriage and I'd be wondering if the family are perhaps not Church of Scotland, or if the OPRs for that area have not been transcribed perhaps? Are the births of the children on Scotlands People?

an Alexander Morrison to a Jean or Jane Hamilton both of the same parish

How do you know they are both of the same parish at the time of marriage? Have you seen something else to suggest this?
Although some OPR entties may give the name of the father, most of them do not, so you'd be very lucky if this was the case.

Best wishes
Lesley

[Asmiffy]

Hi again,
yes all the boys have corresponding OPR baptisms on ScotlandsPeople. Looking at the marriages for the early 1800's, even if I did find Alex & Jean's marriage, as you say it's unlikely the father of each would be mentioned. Ihave not as yet been able to locate Alexander's baptism, but have found a Jean Hamilton of Rutherglen on both the IGI & OPR on SctPple, being Jean Hamilton born 3rd & baptised 12th Dec 1790 to Andrew Hamilton & Lilly Ann Day in Rutherglen. This Andrew Hamilton & family left Scotland for Canada in 1827, but from Hamilton researchers of this family, Jean & a couple of brothers never went, so she seems certainly a good choice for my Alexander's wife. Unfortunately they don't have anything about her. As mentioned before, the 2nd Son to my Alexander & Jean was an Andrew. I will have to find the Scottish naming pattern, ofcourse this isn't conclusive, may just have to keep the data as likely, but not 100% proven. Certainly this is a major drawback with records at the early 1800's back.

Thanks
Lindsay

[LesleyB]

Hi Lindsay

Would anyone have access to Rutherglen, Lanarkshire OPR on cd.

I know I'm being a bit slow on the uptake here, but do you actually know of a CD that has been produced of the Renfrewshire or Lanarkshire OPRs? I've not heard of these, but that does not mean they do not exist!
There appear to be some Renfrewshire Death Indexes on CD, but don't think there is anything else from the OPRs - but I may be wrong.
http://www.renfrewshirefhs.co.uk/publications.html


By the way there is a submission on IGI as follows, which I expect you have seen already:
ALEXANDER MORRISON
Event(s):
Birth: About 1781 Of, Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
Marriages:
Spouse: JEAN HAMILTON
Marriage: About 1812 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland

Not a lot of help, though!
And I would not take the place of birth to be correct on a submission either - this is usually a guess based on other info.

Best wishes
Lesley

[Asmiffy]

Hi,
I can't really find any parish compilations, beyond the LDS cds. Jean Hamilton's birth most definately is on the OPRs from ScotlandsPeople, & likewise Alexander Morrison's boys as mentioned in a previous posting. These were all born within the Parish of Rutherglen. It's just unfortunate not being able to conclusively say the Jean is the same lady who is wife of my Alexander Morrison. I suspect that Alexander may have not been born in the same parish. I think it's possible for a person who was born in one parish, but has lived & attended a church in another parish, marry there & be considered "OF THIS PARISH" even if they weren't originally baptised there. Whether there's a difference between terms "OF THIS PARISH" & "IN THIS PARISH" I don't know. I have english ancestry as well, & you will often notice with their OPRs that if someon is marrying from outside of that parish, it generally will say "Where" they are from.
But that' s often the way things go.

Lindsay

[LesleyB]

Hi Lindsay

I think it's possible for a person who was born in one parish, but has lived & attended a church in another parish, marry there & be considered "OF THIS PARISH" even if they weren't originally baptised there.

I think you just needed to be resident in the parish at the time of marriage to be "of this Parish" - it certainly does not suggest the person was born there, though of course, they might have been!

....with their OPRs that if someon is marrying from outside of that parish, it generally will say "Where" they are from.

That sounds quite helpful, if it states their parish of origin even if they are currently living in the parish in which they are marrying.

Best wishes
Lesley