Look-up please, Greenock 1841 / 1851 .....

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:21 pm

Seeking William Turner and wife Mary Evans.
William was a carter. Mary died 1860, East Shaw St. Death cert has her age at 28. This is wrong. They married 1837 Old or West Parish. Her mother is named only as Margaret on d.cert.

I have possible parents for Mary, and 2 possible sibs from IGI, so am also seeking
George Evans, gardener and wife Margaret in the Greenock area.

AnnetteR · Post by **AnnetteR** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:53 pm

Hi Cathy

Sitting here in cold dreich Glasgow with nothing better to do and had some credits left on SP so had a wee look at your problem.

What I found interesting about the death certificate was that the informant is listed as ? Turner (Father - present). I'll let the experts work that one out as according to the parent's names father George Evans is deceased. Do you have William Turner's DC. The reason I ask is that his christian name is not actually listed, just that she is the wife of a Carter.

I looked at the OPRs and the only marriage for her possible parents in roughly the right time span was of a George Evans and a Margaret Laird which took place on 22/5/1807 at Greenock Old or West assuming of course that they married there. I didn't check any other districts. Children listed on the IGI for this couple are George and Margaret (possibly shortened through time to Mary). Born 1810 and 1811 respectively in Greenock.

Hope this helps and keep us posted as to the outcome.

Regards

Annette R

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:53 pm

Hi Annette,
I have the same info as you.
I looked for death of William Turner today on SP, clicked for second one to view, and no William Turner on page. I have informed SP and am waiting for reply.
I am guessing that the ? Turner, Informant should be father-in-law.
Never heard of Margaret shortened to Mary. Is this common?

CatrionaL · Post by **CatrionaL** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:30 pm

Hi Cathy

On a handwritten certificate the shortened version of Margaret can easily be read as Mary. I've had one or two examples of that.

All the best for your research.

Catriona

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:14 pm

Hi Cathy,
Haven't as yet got full details of these censuses.

William TURNER married Mary EVANS - did her brother
George EVANS marry William's sister Janet TURNER?
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1841 cens 564 Ed 81 p 13 (Greenock West/Old)
33 East Shaw St.
William TURNER, 30, Ag Lab, b RFW [but not a carter then]
Mary 25, ------ b RFW
Janet 2, ------ b RFW
William 1, --- b RFW

and at the same address is,

George EVANS, 30, Ag Lab, b RFW
Janet 25, ----- b RFW
Charles 11, ----- b RFW [an age error?]
John 1, ------ b RFW
[this is the only George EVANS in Greenock 1841]
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1851 cens 564 (440) Ed 83 p 13 (Greenock)
William TURNER 39
Mary 28 [meant to be 38?]
Janet 13
Margaret abt 1
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1851 cens 564 (436) Ed 38 p 14 (Greenock)
George EVANS 40
Janet 35
Charles 14 [sic]
Jean 8
John 6
Janet abt 1
===
Jack

ps, like Catriona i've also noticed the abbreviated Magt. or Margt. can sometimes look like it's Mary.
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Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:42 pm

Hello Jack,
you wonderful man.
William and Mary look good. I'm following the line of the daughter Janet at the moment.
I've just had a look at IGI marriage Re: George Evans and Janet Turner.
I am waiting for reply from SP Re: death cert. of William Turner before I can be sure of his parents.
I see now where the Margaret/Mary stems from. Thanks again.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:18 pm

Hi Cathy,
Here's the rest of the census details.
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1841 cens 564 Ed 81 p 13 (Greenock West or Old)
33 East Shaw St.
// William TURNER, 30, Ag. Lab. b RFW
Mary TURNER, 25, ------- b RFW
Janet TURNER, 2, ------- b RFW
William TURNER, 7mos, -- b RFW
// George EVANS, 30, Ag. Lab. b RFW
Janet EVANS, 24, ------- b RFW
Charles EVANS, 11 [sic], --- b RFW
John EVANS, 1, -------- b RFW
==
1851 cens 564-3 (440) Ed 83 p 13 (Greenock West)
9 Buccleugh St. Rodgers Land.
William TURNER, head, marr, 39, carter, b Greenock, RFW
Mary TURNER, wife, marr, 28 [sic], --------- b Greenock, RFW
Janet TURNER, daur, 13, sewer of white seam, b Greenock, RFW
Margaret TURNER, daur, 3mos, ------- b Greenock, RFW
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1851 cens 564-1 (436) Ed 38 p 14 (Greenock Middle)
Split Close.
George EVANS, head, marr, 40, quay labourer, b Greenock, RFW
Janet EVANS, wife, marr, 35, -------------- b Greenock, RFW
Charles EVANS, son, 14 [sic], scholar, b Greenock, RFW
Jean EVANS, daur, 8, scholar, b Greenock, RFW
John EVANS, son, 6, scholar, b Greenock, RFW
Janet EVANS, daur, 1, -------- b Greenock, RFW
==
Jack

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:58 pm

Hello again Jack,
I feel I should be paying you for all these look-ups. I am really very grateful. Thank you again.

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:35 pm

Hi Annette and Jack,
my latest findings:
D.Cert. Janet Evans, 1887, Widow of George Evans, Carter.
Parents William Turner, Gasman, dec. and Janet Foster, dec.

D.Cert. George Evans,1870, Master Carter, married to Janet Turner.
Parents George Evans, Labourer, dec. and Margaret Blair. I suppose this could have been misinterpreted from Laird.

I got copy of d.cert. from SP Re: William Turner. Its not him. So probable that he died pre-reg, although he is not as deceased on daughter Janet's marriage cert. 1858.
D.Cert. of his wife Mary Evans 1860, states she is buried in Greenock Cemetery. So......, if anyone has access to M.I's, could they please do a lookup for this family?
There was also a son William, b.c. 1840, who is not on 1851 census, who may be mentioned if there is an M.I.

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Look-up please, Greenock 1841 / 1851 .....

Look-up please, Greenock 1841 / 1851 .....

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