Fife. McIntyre. Where do I start.......

[Fran]

On 1841 census in Charlestown, Dunfermline I have John MCINTYRE and wife Margaret, ages given as 55.
Children on census are Henry age 25 and Janet age 15.
How do I find John and Margarets marriage and any other children they may have had????
There is nothing on IGI for this family.
Where do I go from here please?

Many thanks
Fran

[Thrall]

Hi Fran, a quick keek on Scotlands People reveals 10 marriages in OPRs of a John McIntyre to a Margaret in Scotland between 1805 and 1815, but none in Fife, and closest at Crieff, Kilmadock or Edinburgh. Only one approximately right death of a Henry in Paisley, 1880. Have you looked for Henry in later census returns eg. 1861? Not too common a name. Sorry, someone else can probably do better.

Good hunting,

Thrall

[Fran]

Thanks Thrall, No I can't find Henry on any other census on SP. I have just noticed I have omited Margarets maiden name it was RITCHIE......silly me!
Have tried SP for the marriage but no luck, not sure where else to try....

Thank
Fran

[LesleyB]

Hi Fran
Any chance they survived till 1855 or after? Might be worth looking for their deaths. (and keep your fingers crossed for an 1855 one!)

Maybe also check first to see if they are in the 1851 census. Even if you can't find Henry, maybe Margaret is there?

Best wishes
Lesley

[Fran]

Hi Lesley

Thanks for your reply.

I can't find John, Margaret or Henry on 1851 census nor their deaths on SP.

Their elder son Peter moved to Glasgow in 1850 so have searched there as well in case John and Margaret went with him but still no luck!

Not sure what else I can do!

Regards
Fran

[LesleyB]

Hi Fran
A check on the "Fife Death index" CD reveals only one likely suspect: a Margaret McIntyre who died 6 May 1854 at Dunfermline, Nethertown, buried 10 May 1854 aged 62 who seems about the right age, but this is far from conclusive as there is nothing to cross check her with - no husband's name is given. Maiden name was RUSSELL and the entry is to be found in Dunfermline OPR 424-18

"During the summer of the year 1812, the Earl of Elgin completed a railway between the Nethertown, Dunfermline, and his works at Charleston. It was also used for conveying coal to the shipping there for exportation." (Fernie's Hist. Dunf. pp. 17, 18.) ...so not an impossible area for her to have moved to, but you would need to find more evidence than this!!

Best wishes
Lesley

[Fran]

Thanks for that Lesley.

I have just ordered the 'Fife Death Index CD' so hope to find some of the family on that, but that still doesn't help with John and Margaret Ritchie's marriage so not sure where to go now.....

Regards
Fran

[nelmit]

On 1841 census in Charlestown, Dunfermline I have John MCINTYRE and wife Margaret, ages given as 55.
Children on census are Henry age 25 and Janet age 15.
How do I find John and Margarets marriage and any other children they may have had????
There is nothing on IGI for this family.
Where do I go from here please?

Many thanks
Fran

Hello Fran,

Haven't done a parent search yet but how about this for the marriage?

MARGARET RICHARDSON
Female


Marriages:
Spouse: JOHN MCINYRE
Marriage: 15 OCT 1802 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

Regards,
Annette M

2 children from this marriage:

You searched for: Father: John Mcintyre, Mother: Margaret Richardson

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 2
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. JEAN MCINTYRE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 JAN 1810 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

2. HELEN MCINTYRE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 NOV 1805 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

[Fran]

Hi Annette,

That is really kind of you, but I did add that Margaret's surname is RITCHIE, I will still keep a note of this John and Margaret in case I can tie them in later.

Many thanks for your trouble.

Fran

[Malcolm]

Hello Fran
The 1841 census return should tell you whether or not either of the couple were born in Scotland and if so, within or beyond the county of Fife. The two columns to the right of the page should confirm this detail. If they did originate in Fife and reside in Fife some fifty years on I would be inclined to believe with reasonable certainty that they married in Fife as well.
Under these circumstances, where you appear to have run out of short cuts, I would be tempted to sit down with a film viewer with the OPR records and look at every marriage entry over the appropriate time period. The same film might also disclose details of other births if any. This will take several hours but will remove the ambiguity as to why the information you seek doesn’t appear in digital form elsewhere.
Check this out, but I understand from reading these pages that your local central library can obtain the film you need.
Alternatively, you could jump on a train and nip up to Dunfermline for a couple of days. The pub which serves eight cask conditioned beers, the hotel, restaurant and central library are all within a few strides of each other.
I should add that if you were to find the information you want, other than the place of marriage, it might not amount to much more than what you already know. The OPR records I have seen in Dunfermline simply state that a marriage took place on a specific day between a named couple or that a baby was “brought forth” Folk were quite succinct in those days. They told it as it was and left the passion to our own imaginations.
Bon chance
Malcolm
ps: if it helps I can show you a typical pre 1854 birth and marriage entry.