Hoggan/Taylor...Stirlingshire .....

[Rose_mary2000]

William Hoggan and Margaret Taylor were my great great grandparents. Their son was John, who married Catherine Logan. The family from there on down is clear. However........(beginning to hate that word)........finding a OPR birth, or death for William is proving difficult. We have a marriage certificate from SP, Dec. 4, 1927. Unfortunately, it didn't list parents.

Is there any other way, records to check for birth early 1800's? Hopefully, an 1841 census search might reveal something, but that's not online until this summer.

Any advice?

[DavidWW]

William Hoggan and Margaret Taylor were my great great grandparents. Their son was John, who married Catherine Logan. The family from there on down is clear. However........(beginning to hate that word)........finding a OPR birth, or death for William is proving difficult. We have a marriage certificate from SP, Dec. 4, 1927. Unfortunately, it didn't list parents.

Is there any other way, records to check for birth early 1800's? Hopefully, an 1841 census search might reveal something, but that's not online until this summer.

Any advice?

Rosemary

Firstly I'd suggest that you contact Beverly Van Mierlo at bvanmierlo2002@yahoo.ca. The two of you obviously are distant cousins through children of John HOGGAN and Catherine LOGAN.

What you can do if you haven't done it already is to look for death register entries for William HOGGAN and Margaret TAYLOR. Such a record exists for one of them, although the informant didn't know the names of the parents. At least it gives you a figure for the age, and, most often, a couple were of like age.

It looks very much like the spouse died prior to 1855 as their partner remarried and had a further 5 children in the Bothkennar/Denny area. From the dates of birth of these children, you won't find William HOGGAN and Margaret TAYLOR as a couple in the 1841 census.

But you will find the surviving spouse in the 1881 census along with the place of birth.....

What else can you try? MI's to start with. A first step there could be to contact Central Scotland FHS, - see the link to our Societies page above, - and see what info they have on MIs in the Denny/Bothkennar are. They have recently published OPR info on deaths for Falkirk and Campsie parishes, so are obviously active in this area.

(I'm not sure if Central FHS are the correct FHS, but I'm sure that they will re-direct you if needs be.)

Watch out for the fact that miners at this time were quite mobile, moving often from one mail coal field to another.

Secondly if the birth records of William and Margaret are extant then you should have a look to see what secession churches there were locally, as there is a chance that such records might help you. One source that could help you to identify such churches is the Statistical Accounts. For a link to these see http://www.talkingscot.com/links/useful-sites.htm

Davie

[Rose_mary2000]

Thank you so much for your lengthy reply, Davie. I have been in contact with Bev, and we've shared much info and are regular buddies on MSN in the evenings as we search, and search, and search.

I assume you are refering to Margaret Taylor Hoggan's marriage to William Kirkwood? We've wondered if that was our Margaret. I would assume then that the 1841 census would show the new marriage with my great grandfather, John Hoggan, in the household? Unless he was shuttled away elsewhere?

I really appreciate your input. Bev and I have death records for both John Hoggan and Catherine Logan. Possibly, Margaret Taylor if she is Margaret Kirkwood.

William's death is seems impossible to find; my wallet is very thin after much time spent on Scotlandspeople.

Had a very enjoyable browse through "Societies" linked to this site.

Thank you again for your kindness in replying.

[DavidWW]

Thank you so much for your lengthy reply, Davie. I have been in contact with Bev, and we've shared much info and are regular buddies on MSN in the evenings as we search, and search, and search.

I assume you are refering to Margaret Taylor Hoggan's marriage to William Kirkwood? We've wondered if that was our Margaret. I would assume then that the 1841 census would show the new marriage with my great grandfather, John Hoggan, in the household? Unless he was shuttled away elsewhere?

I really appreciate your input. Bev and I have death records for both John Hoggan and Catherine Logan. Possibly, Margaret Taylor if she is Margaret Kirkwood.

William's death is seems impossible to find; my wallet is very thin after much time spent on Scotlandspeople.

Had a very enjoyable browse through "Societies" linked to this site.

Thank you again for your kindness in replying.

Hi Rosemary

Margaret KIRKWOOD's death register entry shows her as "Widow of 1st William HOGGAN Coal Miner 2nd of William KIRKWOOD ???? Miner"

If this is the correct record, and the location and the age match, then a quick look at IGI will show you that the TAYLOR/KIRKWOOD marriage was in 1839 or earlier, so no statutory death register entry for William HOGGAN.

As you suggest, definitely worth a look in the 1841 census.

Davie

[Rose_mary2000]

Hi Davie,

I'm confused again. You must sit there and have a good chuckle at we newbies! I've checked IGI for William Kirkwood marriages in Denny, and I get dates of 1821, and 1826. These don't work. A William Kirkwood married Margaret Taylor about 1847. Would Margaret have appeared as Taylor or Hoggan on a second marriage certificate?

Going back now to devour everything written on this site about OPR's!

[DavidWW]

Hi Davie,

I'm confused again. You must sit there and have a good chuckle at we newbies! I've checked IGI for William Kirkwood marriages in Denny, and I get dates of 1821, and 1826. These don't work. A William Kirkwood married Margaret Taylor about 1847. Would Margaret have appeared as Taylor or Hoggan on a second marriage certificate?

Going back now to devour everything written on this site about OPR's!

Rosemary

I never actually found a marriage.

What I did was to look in IGI for children of a William KIRKWOOD and Margaret TAYLOR, using the parent search facility.

This produces 7 records, all Bothkennar or Denny. All but one are marriages - and the age at marriage is given, - with just one birth, and all are submissions, not extracts, but if you validate the marriages on SP (which I did for at least a couple- can't recall the full details now), that gives you the latest likely date when the parents were married, which was how I arrived at the conclusion that the TAYLOR/KIRKWOOD marriage was in 1839 or earlier.

Davie