Tracin' yer ain pre Eighteenth century .....

Davie · Post by **Davie** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:57 pm

Greetin’s aw (tak tent oan the date)
Frae an extremely tropical Second City the day. (90 degrees, HOAT)
I am sure most of usyins oan TS, would love to trace wurr ain, as fawr back as we can.
I have noted several posts, where oor ain punters, oan this board, huv’ stated, that they can fin’ ther Faimily, as fawr back as the 16th century.
What I am asking is,
How dae yeese dae THAT?

Awrabest
Davie

Post by **emanday** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:07 pm

In my case, with great difficulty, I have to say, and far too many sudden awakenings from a deep sleep with a sudden brainwave, a dash to the PC, usually closely followed by crushing defeat

or, very occasionally, whoopee $\:D/$ success!

I used to keep a notebook by the bed, but all too often I just couldn't leave it at that, so I don't do that now.

If my husband were still alive, God Bless Him, he'd have divorced me by now

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:27 am

Hi Davie

We have one of my lines back to 1638 in Fife because they kept good records there, didn't break away from the Established Church, lived in the same place for generations, used the family naming patterns fairly consistently and ended up being included in IGI and scotlandspeople.

Once we were back before Statutory Registration we had to find every child born to a couple. sometimes we had to look at 3 or 4 different, but related, families to sort them out. Then confirm with burial or MI information to make sure we had the right folk.
Looking for Watson in Kilrenny is like trying to find one tree in the Black Forest but it can be sussed out.
Use batch numbers for IGI then get the confirmation by wildcarding on scotlandspeople to draw in any odd names that might have been missed by the IGI search engine. With one family in Ayrshire we only found 4 of the children on IGI but SP picked up another 3 taking us back to 1697. In the graveyard in Sorn we found the MI needed to confirm and the names of grandsons buried there too was a double check. It took us months to get there but we are positive (Scots law says you need corroboration) that we have the right folks.
Dinna fasch laddie Pit yer shooder tae the yoke and yer neb tae the wheel an ye'll win thro'

Russell

mallog · Post by **mallog** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:38 am

"they kept good records there" - aye if thae didnae let them droon

(Can you tell I am annoyed that all of the areas I need are missing)

Good work on your part Russell that gives me hope I can get round it

Mallog

Post by **Tracey** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:28 am

Davie you call 90 ( how do you do that little 0 ? ! ) hot, winters day in the first city

- how most faces are probably looking today

My English lot have been done back to 1600 ish (not by me) but then they didnt move from a tiny Suffolk village till 1900, and i always warn people if they want the info passed on that it may not be correct.
I found one woman (on LDS) when i first started that had researched one side of my Scottish family but she started to go wrong in OPR territory - one still doesnt believe me when i say she is wrong and still has them as "parents". One man convinced me she was wrong, i then found a descendant of the supposed wrong'ens- my proof and if the others dont want to believe they are going to go very wrong further up.
That one wrong turn from her could have made us descendants of a surgeon who became a Sir

Rab · Post by **Rab** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:54 am

It's a mystery to me too Davie. If I could trace my own family back to the eighteenth centuary I'd consider it a coup.

Personally I think tracing back through the OPR period requires alot of luck and/or a leap of faith that the information does match. Alot of legwork is also required I'd presume which is out of my scope.

Post by **Liz Turner** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:03 pm

I think it's very hit and miss - depends where your folks lived, and how long they lived there. Like Russell (thanks to you and Jean for the filing tips - have already started!), my Fife ones didn't move about much and when they did they went all the way across the Forth to Edinburgh! The other lines I've tracked have also proved fortunate in that they each kept to their own wee areas or trades (miners/engineers) and very few moved to the big cities. It must be very difficult for those with families who moved around a lot and who lived in the expanding cities.

I am not back prior to 1700 with any certainty on any line that I've followed up. I've have very faint hopes (with many thank to Lesley!) for one that I might get back to the 1600s - but that is dependent on finding the birth of a lady called Janet Haliburton, and that she is the daughter of George. She's proving pretty elusive, but I hope for a revelation of some kind one day, before my brain goes totally...

Post by **emanday** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:20 pm

What spellings have you tried?

I found these on IGI...

Janet HALYBURTON

Birth: 1660, Aberdalgie, Perth, Scotland
Death: 1702

Parents:
Father: George HALYBURTON
Mother: Margaret PLAYFAIR

Marriage(s):
Spouse: Patrick COUPER
Marriage: Jun 1683, Aberdalgie, Perth, Scotland

OR ---------------------------------------------------

JANET HALEBURTON

Christening: AUG 1637 Alyth, Perth, Scotland

Parents:
Father: GEORGE HALEBURTON Family
Mother: ISSOBELLE ADAME

Just a thought, is there any connection with Norway in this line?

Post by **Liz Turner** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:10 pm

Hi emanday

Am looking for the birth Janet Haliburton who died 22/3/1749 - she married James Nicholson (Banchory Devenick) on 11/11/1741. (She was his first wife). By my reckoning the latest she can have been born was 1725, and the earliest say 1705. According to the Fasti she was the daughter of George Haliburton, LP of Edinburgh 1741.

There are lots of variations of spelling including Halyburton, Hallyburton, Haliburton, Allaburton, Allyburton etc etc. I would expect her to ahve been born in Edinburgh or immediate surrounding area because her father was a Dean of the Guild in Edinburgh. Her mother might have been Elizabeth Rutherfoord.

Any suggestions most gratefully received. Sincere apologies for "hijacking" this post.

Liz

PS - No link to Norway that I know of - YET .....

Post by **emanday** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:40 pm

See, what happens is this...

I get stuck on one (or more) of my own lot and find trying to find folk for other people clears my mind of the garbage I've accumulated looking at "wrong un's".

I found two birth entries on IGI but it seems all too obvious that they are one and the same person....

Janet Haliburton Birth: About 1720 , Midlothian, Scotland

Parents:
Father: George Haliburton
Mother: Elizabeth Rutherford
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Janet Haliborton Birth: About 1720 , Midlothian, Scotland

Parents:
Father: George Haliburton
Mother: Elizabeth Rutherford
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...then, not satisfied with that, I had a look for Janet and George's marriage and got these. Again, I think they are the same, but I reckon the first one might relate to the date of Banns reading in her parish. The second one has her name misspelt.

JANET HALIBURTON

Parents:
Father: GEORGE HALIBURTON

Marriages:
Spouse: JAMES NICOLSON
Marriage: 08 NOV 1741 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

JANNET HALIBURTON

Marriages:
Spouse: JAMES NICOLSON
Marriage: 11 NOV 1741 Banchory Devenick, Kincardine, Scotland

Question is; has my mind cleared enough to have another go at finding my personal "Scarlet Pimpernel"

Nah! Didnae think so