IGI, OPR, & SP

[soccerchick]

I apologize in advance for the convoluted questions below but I need help.

I have a list of 7 names that I got from IGI after doing a parent search:

Parents - Thomas Cooper & Isabella Robertson/Robinson

William Cooper
Christening, 19 May 1816, Potterrow United Presbyterian, Edinburgh...

Margaret Cooper
Christening, 26 Jul 1818, Potterrow United Presbyterian, Edinburgh...

David Cooper
Christening, 23 Jul 1820, Potterrow, United Presbyterian, Edinburgh...

Esther Cooper
Christening, 15 Sep 1822, Potterrow, United Presbyterian, Edinburgh...

Isabella Cooper
Christening, 10 Apr 1825, Potterrow, United Presbyterian, Edinburgh...

Christian Cooper
Birth, 4 Jun 1828, St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh...

Elizabaith Cooper
Christening, 26 Dec 1830, Edinburgh....

When I tried to find them in the OPR index on SP I could only find 1 individual (Christian Cooper). I went back to the IGI index (FamilySearch.org - LDS home page) and pulled up the source data. There were two different film numbers listed and I noticed they contained two types of records.

One film had the following: Church records, 1825-1865 Potterrow United Presbyterian Church (Edinburgh, Midlothian).

The other film was titled: Parish registers for St. Cuthbert's Church, Edinburgh, 1573-1855 Church of Scotland. St. Cuthbert's Church (Edinburgh).

Of the other 6 names in the IGI, 5 of them were also extract copies (Elizabaith Cooper was listed as being submitted by an LDS member) so my question is why were they not in the SP OPR index? Sorry for my ignorance but wasn't Potterrow United Presbyterian Church part of the Church of Scotland?

Now the real kicker, all of these children (including Elizabaith) with the exception of Esther who was married in 1840 were in the same household on the 1841 Census. There is one additional son, Thomas, that is also on the census but I cannot find him in the IGI or SP OPR index though he is mentioned in Thomas senior's Will/Inventory.

Any ideas? I'm guessing I will have to order the one film from LDS and take a look see.

Thanks for taking the time to read through this exhaustive post.

(Duplicate post moved to quarantine - Admin)

[DavidWW]

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One film had the following: Church records, 1825-1865 Potterrow United Presbyterian Church (Edinburgh, Midlothian).

The other film was titled: Parish registers for St. Cuthbert's Church, Edinburgh, 1573-1855 Church of Scotland. St. Cuthbert's Church (Edinburgh).

Of the other 6 names in the IGI, 5 of them were also extract copies (Elizabaith Cooper was listed as being submitted by an LDS member) so my question is why were they not in the SP OPR index? Sorry for my ignorance but wasn't Potterrow United Presbyterian Church part of the Church of Scotland?

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No !! The UP was the UP

In 1733 the First Secession Church broke away from the Established Church of Scotland.

In 1820 parts of subsequent schisms of the First Secession Church joined together as the United Secession Church ....... put that on one side for the moment

In1761, the second major breakaway from the Established Church of Scotland was the Relief Church.

In 1847, the United Secession and Relief Churches came together to form the United Presbyterian Church, often referred to by the shorthand "UP".

Put that on one side for the moment

In 1843 there was the third major, and largest secession from the Established Church of Scotland resulting in the Free Church or Kirk of Scotland (properly and originally referred to as the Free Protesting Church of Scotland).

In 1900 the Free Church, except for the Free Presbyterians who'd broken away in 1892, and approx 150 Highland congregations whose chose to remain outside, united with the United Presbyterian Church to form the United Free Church.

In 1929 the United Free Church, all but those who remained outside as the United Free Continuing Church, rejoined the "Auld Kirk", i.e. the Established Church of Scotland

The SP OPR index is essentially an index of the Established Church records only.

The IGI contains a number of non-established church records, where LDS have been given access to the records.

David

For the sake of completeness, of the other two major schisms fron the First Secession Church, one - the Burghers Auld Lichts rejoined the Auld Kirk in 1839, and most of the others - the Anti-Burgher Auld Lichts - joined the Free Kirk in 1852, with remainder continuing as the Original Secession Church, - there were approx 3,000 members in 1960.
dww

[soccerchick]

David, thanks for that explanation. It must have been all those 'Presbyterian's' that totally confused me. Guess I'll go visit the local Family History Center.

Have a good day and Happy Hunting....

Kelly

[Muriel]

David

Thanks for that - it's the best short explanation of all the schisms I've seen.

Muriel

[DavidWW]

David

Thanks for that - it's the best short explanation of all the schisms I've seen.

Muriel

Hi Muriel

I did my best

David