GOT A LESSON ON NOT TAKING ANYTHING FOR GRANTED

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GOT A LESSON ON NOT TAKING ANYTHING FOR GRANTED

Post by sheilajim » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:52 pm

Hi All,

I got a lesson recently about not taking anything for granted, or jumping to conclusions.

I was researching John Millar, a Master Baker from Alloa, Clackmannan, who married a relative of mine in Denny in 1852. I had the OPR of the marriage, his census info from 1861 and his Death Cert in 1868. I found him in Alloa on the 1851 Census listed as a Journeyman Baker, but couldn't find him in Alloa on the 1841 Census. On some of the censuses I found that one of his daughters was named Jane King Hay Millar.

On his Death Cert his parents are listed as Robert Millar, Master Baker and Jane King. I spent $10.00 to look at John Millar's will. While it was interesting, it didn't give me any new information. On the IGI there is a submission for a John Millar, born 1819, in Alloa, to a Robert Millar and a Jean King.

I went looking for John Millar's father. I found a Robert Miller, Master Baker on the 1841 Census in Denny. Living with Robert Millar are his wife Jane, and their children, three daughters and apparently three sons, David, James, and a John Miller, Journeyman Baker, born about 1821.
"This must be him." :D I thought. "Even though the census lists all the members of this household as being born in Stirlingshire, a mistake could have been made."

I looked up the death of Robert Miller of Denny. I was a little surprised to find that his wife's maiden name is listed as Jean Hay and not Jean King. Then I remembered that John Millar had named one of his daughters Jean King Hay Millar. Maybe some other little mistake had been made. :? I was sure that my John Millar was the son of this Robert Miller of Denny.

It seems that Robert Miller was a relatively prosperous Baker, and hoping to find some mention of my family spent another $10.00 to look at his will.
In the Will, Robert Miller of Denny leaves everything to his wife and sons David and James. There is no mention of John anywhere. :shock: In fact Robert Miller says that he wants to make sure that he is not favoring one son over the other and repeatedly mentions his two sons, James and David.

This is the wrong family after all, but I had to read the Will of Robert Miller of Denny to find it out. Everything had fit so well that I had been sure that I had the right family. I still think that there is some relationship between Robert Miller/Millar, Master Baker, of Denny and John Millar/Miller, Master Baker of Alloa, but it is not of father and son. I also am pretty convinced that it is him living with these Millers on the 1841 Census. Maybe finishing out some kind of apprenticeship or something before he too became a Master Baker.

Sorry to be so long winded, but I just want to point out how easy it is to jump to conclusions at times in our research of our ancestors. I will be much more cautious in the future.

Regards

Sheila
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Post by paddyscar » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:52 pm

Ah, Sheila! :( It is easy for us all to take the wrong leaps sometimes, but it is good to remind ourselves to step back and have a second look.

I think I'm more easily side-railled when something pops up when working on a brick wall.

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Post by sheilajim » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:58 pm

Hi Frances

I think that it is a matter of wanting to believe. You want to grasp at anything.

Sheila
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Post by Bertha » Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:10 pm

Hi Sheila
Have you looked on www.familysearch.org
There is a Robert Miller & Jean King there with 3 children one being John Miller christened 22nd Dec 1819 in Alloa. There are 2 submission entries but there is also an extracted entry.
I had thought maybe Robert Millar in your 1841 census find and your John were brothers. Does the census not give a relationship?
Anyone keep up the search.
Regards
Bertha
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Nelson/Neilson,Wood,McDonald,Baillie - East Lothian
McLaren,Ross,Kelly,McEwan,Nicholson,Price/Pryce,Telfer,Robertson, Dickson/Dixon, Gibson,Niven Edinburgh

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Post by sheilajim » Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:55 pm

Hi Bertha

I don't know how I missed those listings in Family Search the first time around. Thank you for sending me back there. :)
There are 4 births listed to Robert Millar and Jean King in Clackmannan. There are 5 births listed to Robert Miller and Jean Hay in Denny. Both Robert Millars are Master Bakers. Maybe the two of them are somehow related. :-k

The 1841 Census doesn't give relationships like the later censuses do. :(
I am thinking that it was my John Millar, possibly as a guest or staying with the Denny Millars in 1841. Muddying the waters further, John Millar did have one of his daughters named Jane King Hay Millar. That can't be entirely a coincidence.

Thanks Again

Sheila
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Post by Russell » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:43 pm

Hi Sheila

I think your $10 was well spent. Sometimes you have to explore side alleys to establish other facts. It sounds as though you have a whole new avenue of possibilities to explore now.
Rather than muddy the waters, the daughter's middle name's are too distinctive to be mere chance.

It seems so frustrating unttil that little piece of evidence pops up which makes the whole thing seem clear-cut and straightforward.

Russell
Working on: Oman, Brock, Miller/Millar, in Caithness.
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny